I agree completely, the problem is that Marner is already making 11 which was and is insane. Of course there are a bunch of Pauls here who will rant about how Marner is the best winger in the league, a 1st team all-star etc. and then start throwing out all kinds of stats but ... I agree completely.
agree with the JT thing, disagree on matty though. i actually think the matthews deal leans more team friendly and if he signs another 4 year deal after this one its definitely not going to be as much since he will be 31 and not 26. i would be more ok with higher numbers over a short term than a 8 year deal with any of these guys(esecially willy since hes going to be 28 by the time the new deal kicks in)
hmmm i think drai and matty are pretty close but one thing that draws my attn about drai is this...
Mathews went 4 years because his goal is to score a huge deal but at max term which will take him to retirement on his next contract .
we dont actually have to sign him until hes 40 though, by that point one could argue we have gotten the best years out of AM and if theres still no cups here is anyone going to be crying if he signs somewhere else if its a crazy number? cuz i wont be lol.
I wouldn't dock points from Drai because their PP is so awesome, he's a big part of why it is so awesome.
ye he was more underpaid than willy was on his 1st deal, AND it was 8 years, hes going to be the highest paid player in hockey after next year..until mcdavid is up again the year after lol
I agree the 'core' hasn't performed in the playoffs, but Willy is the one (hair notwithstanding) who hasn't faded "when it mattered most".
your right we don't have to sign him but it'll be a near impossible task to convince the fan base it's in the best interest of the club to let him walk because he'll be an anchor at the tail end of the deal
why are you making stuff up? you might have liked his game better, or thought he played better in big moments, or better given his salary etc, thats reasonable. but lets actually look at numbers:
dude if we havent won a cup by then nobody is going to care lol, after 6 years i barely care anymore lol. i havent turned off as many leafs games in my 1st 30 years watching as i have the past 2.
we haven't won a cup since 67 and people still care . lol
so in 5 years, after 11 years with this core if we still dont have any playoff success you will still want to pay top dollar for the stars who havent had any success? thats literally insanity lol. and btw, all of this is going off an ASSUMPTION that mathhews is going to demand an 8 year max deal with no proof of that
I know it sounds like that but really it’s undoing the Tavares deal and making the necessary moves with the cap space available and getting it done which I believe those players wil be apart of the core when is done
I didn't say 'who had the most points', I said 'hadn't faded when it mattered most'. You really have to pay more attention.
ive always agreed about the JT thing, but at the end of the day none of willy/marner/matthews have taken the team on their shoulders like the truly great players do, one could argue mo has played better than all of them by a healthy margin in the playoffs during this past 6 years.
we are getting nowhere here, im just gonna stop trying and move on with my day.
I’d be lying if I sat here and said you didn’t have all right to think that cause you do but I’m telling you if your watching nylander there is no way this core isn’t making noise this year id bet the house on it when we sure up the baccend nobody wants to run into us
i'd like them not to get top dollar but judging by how determined Mathews has been to maximize his earnings your damn right he's going to want a max term contact his next go around
You're getting nowhere, but that's because you're trying to disprove something that wasn't said. You posted data which wasn't relevant to my post, so I pointed that out, and provivded data that supported what I said.
i dont think ive been emotional at all tbh, im critizing everyone equally(except rielly, hes been amazing) ive even said in this post i think willy has been the most consistent playoff guy, but im not prepared to say hes the only one whos shown up. to me matthews has been increasingly physical and performed well while taking the hardest defensive matchups. and ive made no secret that i think marner has been a dissapointment regardless of points as hes the only one thats really refused to engage in physical post season hockey. JT or no JT its on all of them individually to show some pride and more fight. and to be clear im not saying we should let anyone walk but im also not going 5 more years with 0 success before im trading 1 or 2 of these guys and trying again with other players while they are still worth a ton in trades.
i didnt misread your post, you said willy is the "only player that hasnt faded when it mattered most" i disagreed and showed you the stats to back that up. i even qualified the stats by saying its fine to think hes played better or more consistent etc.(espcially given salaries)
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