Player Discussion Nylander After the Contract

[Donnie740]

Nylander now at 82 points for the season and even if he goes scoreless for the remaining 23 games, he’s reached the coveted milestone of achieving the magic point per game number.

I’d like to hear from everyone who insisted Nylander should have been traded for a few draft picks so the Leafs could overpay a couple of 3rd line scrub free agents and call that “depth”.

Yooo hooo, anyone?

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I think the Leafs already have some options for the LW in the prospect ranks.

I'd expect Tavares will be a center.

I'm more curious about the ? here

? - Domi - Nylander

What if we shift them over to:

Domi - Nylander - Cowan

 

[Jojalu]

Just realised Nylander already has a career high for assists.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander now at 82 points for the season and even if he goes scoreless for the remaining 23 games, he’s reached the coveted milestone of achieving the magic point per game number.

I’d like to hear from everyone who insisted Nylander should have been traded for a few draft picks so the Leafs could overpay a couple of 3rd line scrub free agents and call that “depth”.

Yooo hooo, anyone?

Care to share the names of the people who wanted to trade Willy for "a few draft picks"? Willie is having a great year but Tre blew the negotiations as badly as Dubas did with Marner and he might be killing our cap in 5 years the way Tavares is today. If these guys do not win a cup, they will go down as the biggest chokers in Leafs history and Shanny, one of the worst Presidents.

As Versteeg said yesterday, if Matty wants to be known as the best American hockey player ever, he has to be clutch is big playoff games and he went on to reel how good Kaner was. I believe he said Matty had 2 assists in 5 game 7s (including game 5 vs CBJ).

 

[ULF_55]

Care to share the names of the people who wanted to trade Willy for "a few draft picks"? Willie is having a great year but Tre blew the negotiations as badly as Dubas did with Marner and he might be killing our cap in 5 years the way Tavares is today. If these guys do not win a cup, they will go down as the biggest chokers in Leafs history and Shanny, one of the worst Presidents.

As Versteeg said yesterday, if Matty wants to be known as the best American hockey player ever, he has to be clutch is big playoff games and he went on to reel how good Kaner was. I believe he said Matty had 2 assists in 5 game 7s (including game 5 vs CBJ).

Considering the last successful Leafs season was in 1967 it is difficult to determine the biggest chokers?

I'd have to put the Gilmour / Clark 1992/1993 failure as one of the greatest failures.

Game 7 at home and come up short against a broken down Gretz.

Next year more pressure as there will be another double digit.

 

[Menzinger]

The whole "hee checking out after the contract" line certainly went away pretty quickly....

The underlining thing here is that the core is still capable of internal improvement, some seem to think that once a guy hits 24 or 25 that they're incapable of changing.

Nylander's offensive growth aside, he's now trusted to PK, and contribute another ways where he wasn't before

 

[ULF_55]

The whole "hee checking out after the contract" line certainly went away pretty quickly....

The underlining thing here is that the core is still capable of internal improvement, some seem to think that once a guy hits 24 or 25 that they're incapable of changing.

Nylander's offensive growth aside, he's now trusted to PK, and contribute another ways where he wasn't before

Was thinking about this, and I wondered if the first part of the year was a fluke when he was on pace for 115 or so points.

And here we are in March, and he's on a 114 point pace, after playing with some badly slumping line-mates.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Considering the last successful Leafs season was in 1967 it is difficult to determine the biggest chokers?

I'd have to put the Gilmour / Clark 1992/1993 failure as one of the greatest failures.

Game 7 at home and come up short against a broken down Gretz.

Next year more pressure as there will be another double digit.

Not sure that's fair. That group was a 1st round underdog that played their hearts out to get as far as they did, plus had penalty on Gretzky not been missed, they're probably in the final.

The whole "hee checking out after the contract" line certainly went away pretty quickly....

The underlining thing here is that the core is still capable of internal improvement, some seem to think that once a guy hits 24 or 25 that they're incapable of changing.

Nylander's offensive growth aside, he's now trusted to PK, and contribute another ways where he wasn't before

True enough. I also think the fact that he leads the team in scoring is pretty mind blowing. We have Matthews scoring goals at a historic pace and he's paired with Marner who's playmaking abilities are well known, basically a dream scenario to put up points. Nylander on the other hand is playing with people like JT who is more a top 100 player than the top 10 player he once was, Bertuzzi who only recently has started to put up some points, Domi who also struggled early, he has played with linemates nowhere even close to the caliber of M&M so ... how the heck has he managed to produce more than M&M?

Mind blowing!

 

[Confucius]

Considering the last successful Leafs season was in 1967 it is difficult to determine the biggest chokers?

I'd have to put the Gilmour / Clark 1992/1993 failure as one of the greatest failures.

Game 7 at home and come up short against a broken down Gretz.

Next year more pressure as there will be another double digit.

Well I guess it comes down to what constitutes success, 5 of the 10 best record regular seasons this franchise has ever had happened with this core. So. I’d say they were the best team we have ever had. Playoffs well they are just a crap shoot anyway. No different than saying look what a great or poor month we had, too short a time frame to be legit.

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[Gary Nylund]

Well I guess it comes down to what constitutes success, 5 of the 10 best record regular seasons this franchise has ever had happened with this core. So. I’d say they were the best team we have ever had. Playoffs well they are just a crap shoot anyway. No different than saying look what a great or poor month we had, too short a time frame to be legit.

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LOL.

 

[Jojalu]

Nylander 5th in points this late in the season is impressive.

Great value this year at 7 million.

I believe he will have to repeat this feat a few more times starting next year to quiet the noise.

 

[Dreakmur]

Nylander now at 82 points for the season and even if he goes scoreless for the remaining 23 games, he’s reached the coveted milestone of achieving the magic point per game number.

I’d like to hear from everyone who insisted Nylander should have been traded for a few draft picks so the Leafs could overpay a couple of 3rd line scrub free agents and call that “depth”.

Yooo hooo, anyone?

I have been consistent saying that you cannot win with both Marner and Nylander. Pick the one you like more and move the other one for a great return. I have actually gone back and forth on which one I’d keep, but always known one has to go in order to build a better balanced team.

It’s not an attack on either player. It’s just the reality of team building in a cap era. Two high paid players at the least important position is just bad asset management.

 

[thewave]

I have been consistent saying that you can win with both Marner and Nylander. Pick the one you like more and move the other one for a great return. I have actually gone back and forth on which one I’d keep, but always known one has to go in order to build a better balanced team.

It’s not an attack on either player. It’s just the reality of team building in a cap era. Two high paid players at the least important position is just bad asset management.

If Nylander could become an effective C that would be the one to keep. Outside that I like his speed and new found willingness to take a check.

That really is the dilemma though. Which 11/12m winger do you keep. Which gives the better return? Maybe its as simple as Nylander gets you the Dman you want and Marner doesnt.

 

[Confucius]

I have been consistent saying that you cannot win with both Marner and Nylander. Pick the one you like more and move the other one for a great return. I have actually gone back and forth on which one I’d keep, but always known one has to go in order to build a better balanced team.

It’s not an attack on either player. It’s just the reality of team building in a cap era. Two high paid players at the least important position is just bad asset management.

If and when we get rid of the 11 million cap hit from JT and pay him more inline with a 3rd liner and then 5.5 from bertuzzi, that will leave quite a bit of cap room for 2 quality dmen which would make us much better than we already are.

 

[Dreakmur]

If and when we get rid of the 11 million cap hit from JT and pay him more inline with a 3rd liner and then 5.5 from bertuzzi, that will leave quite a bit of cap room for 2 quality dmen which would make us much better than we already are.

You still need to spend on a replacement 2C, which is an important and expensive position to fill. Then goalie. Then 4 defenders. Then 1LW. Then even the 3C is probably more important than the 2RW.

It’s about priorities. A second line winger should not be any kind of priority, and therefore, should not be paid a lot of money.

 

[ZEBROA]

If Nylander could become an effective C that would be the one to keep. Outside that I like his speed and new found willingness to take a check.

That really is the dilemma though. Which 11/12m winger do you keep. Which gives the better return? Maybe its as simple as Nylander gets you the Dman you want and Marner doesnt.

Marner will probably be a 13mill player...

 

[arso40]

If Nylander could become an effective C that would be the one to keep. Outside that I like his speed and new found willingness to take a check.

That really is the dilemma though. Which 11/12m winger do you keep. Which gives the better return? Maybe its as simple as Nylander gets you the Dman you want and Marner doesnt.

If you were to pic between the two although marners the better two way player I think he'd have to go seeing as he'll cost more and he produces alongside Matthews and nylander does without him that gives you two lines as opposed to marners only giving you one but I'd try to keep both and move willy up the middle

 

[notDatsyuk]

If Nylander could become an effective C that would be the one to keep. Outside that I like his speed and new found willingness to take a check.

That really is the dilemma though. Which 11/12m winger do you keep. Which gives the better return? Maybe its as simple as Nylander gets you the Dman you want and Marner doesnt.

Back when they were tradable, either would get you a good return, although I think Willy would get the better one.

Now, thanks to the brilliant work of Dubas and Tre, we can't trade either, and I suspect Mitch will get a full NMC if he re-signs here.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You still need to spend on a replacement 2C, which is an important and expensive position to fill. Then goalie. Then 4 defenders. Then 1LW. Then even the 3C is probably more important than the 2RW.

It’s about priorities. A second line winger should not be any kind of priority, and therefore, should not be paid a lot of money.

Agreed. The only practical thing to do is move Willy (since we're already paying him 11) to the top line and let both Mitch and JT walk.

 

[Puckstuff]

I think the Leafs already have some options for the LW in the prospect ranks.

I'd expect Tavares will be a center.

I'm more curious about the ? here

? - Domi - Nylander

What about next year?

Wonder if they'll re-sign Domi?

Robertson-Novak-Nylander

 

[ponder]

Petey signing basically the same contract as Willie (8x$11.6 vs. 8x$11.5), while being 2 years younger (makes the 8 year term better) and a significantly better player does show you how hard Willie got paid.

I’d still rather have Willie on this deal than not have him at all, he’s a great player, and as a pending UFA he had all the power. But yeah, he took us to the cleaners.

 

[canuckslover10]

Petey signing basically the same contract as Willie (8x$11.6 vs. 8x$11.5), while being 2 years younger (makes the 8 year term better) and a significantly better player does show you how hard Willie got paid.

I’d still rather have Willie on this deal than not have him at all, he’s a great player, and as a pending UFA he had all the power. But yeah, he took us to the cleaners.

Tbf to the Leafs Petey was an RFA at the end of the year whilst Nylander was a Ufa, plus we threatened to trade him to Carolina which seemed to really work in our favour lol.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Petey signing basically the same contract as Willie (8x$11.6 vs. 8x$11.5), while being 2 years younger (makes the 8 year term better) and a significantly better player does show you how hard Willie got paid.

I’d still rather have Willie on this deal than not have him at all, he’s a great player, and as a pending UFA he had all the power. But yeah, he took us to the cleaners.

Petey?

Compared to what we signed Mitch and JT for (and what Mitch will get if we re-sign him), Willy's is good. Compared to his peers around the league, not so much, but still not bad.

 

[rumman]

If Nylander could become an effective C that would be the one to keep. Outside that I like his speed and new found willingness to take a check.

That really is the dilemma though. Which 11/12m winger do you keep. Which gives the better return? Maybe its as simple as Nylander gets you the Dman you want and Marner doesnt.

88 isn’t going anywhere, at least not unless it’s his idea. Marner would have to walk for free which isn’t happening, he’ll get another overpayment and the cap constraints will continue. Best we can hope for is that Leaf mgmt doesn’t resign JT to anything but a league minimum type contract………

 

[sunstersun]

I mean his achievements this season have been remarkable.

Tavares and Bertuzi have been legit traffic cones for vast parts of the season.

I really feel like he's the most dangerous player on the ice for the Leafs a lot. Perfect combination of skating, playmaking and shooting.