Player Discussion Nylander After the Contract

[Drytoast]

The problem is people already think he's a playoff performer.

the problem is our current GM is one of those people...

 

[Evilhomer]

I wish Hyman was still here, and he does bring great value for 5.5.

On the flip side, he played 30 playoff games for the Leafs and scored 5 goals and had 13 points and never made it out of Round 1.

He exploded when he got to Edmonton. Good for him. Not so good for the Leafs

I think there is a lot of revisionist history happening with Hyman. My recollection is that most people were ready to drive him out of town when they heard the number he signed for in Edmonton. It's silly to think he would have replicated his Edmonton numbers here when he has spent a decent portion of his time playing with probably the two best offensive players in the league (certainly the best in McDavid).

 

[rumman]

I think there is a lot of revisionist history happening with Hyman. My recollection is that most people were ready to drive him out of town when they heard the number he signed for in Edmonton. It's silly to think he would have replicated his Edmonton numbers here when he has spent a decent portion of his time playing with probably the two best offensive players in the league (certainly the best in McDavid).

Hyman was highly regarded as a player imo, he was a worker bee so not respected by the those who like the flash and dash. He’s exactly what the Leafs lack, a player who never takes a shift off………

 

[Evilhomer]

Hyman was highly regarded as a player imo, he was a worker bee so not respected by the those who like the flash and dash. He’s exactly what the Leafs lack, a player who never takes a shift off………

Don't kid yourself, if he was here at that salary most fans would be crucifying him because he wouldn't be on pace for 53 goals.

 

[Confucius]

Don't kid yourself, if he was here at that salary most fans would be crucifying him because he wouldn't be on pace for 53 goals.

They were crucifying him when he was here, babcocks son, stone hands, he must have pics. Lol

Dad’s a billionaire surely he will give us a deal, he has no need for cash….

Bunting better than him at less than a million to boot. lol! Good memories….

 

[Stephen]

I think there is a lot of revisionist history happening with Hyman. My recollection is that most people were ready to drive him out of town when they heard the number he signed for in Edmonton. It's silly to think he would have replicated his Edmonton numbers here when he has spent a decent portion of his time playing with probably the two best offensive players in the league (certainly the best in McDavid).

Not exactly. Hyman was seriously disrespected by many in the fanbase during the Babcock years as an inferior who couldn't hang with the Matthews, Marner, Nylander core group, but improved year to year, leap frogging Connor Brown, becoming more and more of a 1st line complimentary player, then a 1st liner in his own right.

I think for people who dreamed of a post Babcock era, big minutes by Matthews and Marner, a Matthews Marner duo, Hyman wasn't really worthy. He was somehow Babcock's Son and the benefactor of preferential treatment. But he just got better and better and was very strategic to go to Edmonton to play with McDavid.

I always liked him. Thought he was a little janky in his early days, but he filled an unglamorous role and it was easy to appreciate the effort. Nobody could have predicted his Edmonton trajectory though. That's to his credit.

 

[Evilhomer]

Not exactly. Hyman was seriously disrespected by many in the fanbase during the Babcock years as an inferior who couldn't hang with the Matthews, Marner, Nylander core group, but improved year to year, leap frogging Connor Brown, becoming more and more of a 1st line complimentary player, then a 1st liner in his own right.

I think for people who dreamed of a post Babcock era, big minutes by Matthews and Marner, a Matthews Marner duo, Hyman wasn't really worthy. He was somehow Babcock's Son and the benefactor of preferential treatment. But he just got better and better and was very strategic to go to Edmonton to play with McDavid.

I always liked him. Thought he was a little janky in his early days, but he filled an unglamorous role and it was easy to appreciate the effort. Nobody could have predicted his Edmonton trajectory though. That's to his credit.

Don't get me wrong, I love what Hyman represents. Despite his rather unique background given his father, the guy worked for everything he got because he didn't have the God-given talent that others did, but he had a work ethic that far exceeded his talent. But by the end of his time here he was mostly vilified - injury prone and, even worse, sponging off more talented players. Almost no one wanted the Leafs to resign him at the number he got in Edmonton.

 

[saffronleaf]

if you're gonna pay him 11.5 why not just wait until offseason so you get to milk the full contract year motivation or you see him go through his usual 20 game slump and pay him accordingly

like who is gonna pay him 13.1 x 7 which is what you'd need to get to the 92m total comp?

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Hyman was vilified by the same crowd that thinks Nylander is a playoff performer

 

[Stephen]

Don't get me wrong, I love what Hyman represents. Despite his rather unique background given his father, the guy worked for everything he got because he didn't have the God-given talent that others did, but he had a work ethic that far exceeded his talent. But by the end of his time here he was mostly vilified - injury prone and, even worse, sponging off more talented players. Almost no one wanted the Leafs to resign him at the number he got in Edmonton.

No, I wouldn't say he was really vilified at the end or during his time. Maybe just not valued as much as his more skilled core teammates and unfortunately the butt of a joke here and there, underappreciated, etc. But he was certainly a unique personality among this group and had a lot of admirable traits that have allowed him to reach new heights in Edmonton.

 

[Stephen]

Hyman was vilified by the same crowd that thinks Nylander is a playoff performer

Yeah he was surprisingly not effective at all in the playoffs during his time as a Leaf. 13 career playoff points in Toronto in 5 years, then goes back to back in Edmonton with 16 and 11. That stings.

 

[Menzinger]

Yeah he was surprisingly not effective at all in the playoffs during his time as a Leaf. 13 career playoff points in Torontoin 5 years, then goes back to back in Edmonton with 16 and 11. That stings.

He had a freakish career development path so far. Which in part is driven by his current linemates (though he obviously he's also playing great).

If he had played that way in Toronto, there wouldn't have been any doubt over if they should have kept him

 

[Confucius]

He had a freakish career development path so far. Which in part is driven by his current linemates (though he obviously he's also playing great).

If he had played that way in Toronto, there wouldn't have been any doubt over if they should have kept him

Your avatar played extremely well after he got run out of town as well.

 

[saffronleaf]

Nylander gets in his own head after he signs a big contract. He had 1 goal and 3 points in his first twenty games back after he signed in 2018/19. Now, of course the lame excuse was "he missed camp and the first 2 months." But it is as I described it. A lame excuse. Tons and tons of players have off season surgery and miss camp and the first couple of months. There might be a slight drop in production, but not 3 points in 20 games territory. And they were bedridden recovering from surgery. Not playing hockey everyday in Switzerland.

So yeah, he'll slump the next couple of weeks. And then for the majority of his contract he'll be what he was last year and the season prior. A 30-40 goal ppg player. He won't come close to earning 11.5 Not even close. It is a gross and disgusting overpayment. But he won't just fall off a cliff either.

would you consider it a dramatic overpayment?

 

[Stephen]

He had a freakish career development path so far. Which in part is driven by his current linemates (though he obviously he's also playing great).

If he had played that way in Toronto, there wouldn't have been any doubt over if they should have kept him

I'm still not really sure what to make of the decision to let Hyman go. Hindsight, it was obviously an error.

At the time, I don't think it would be this kind of home run for Edmonton so I can't say I was pounding my fist that we needed to keep Hyman. But I'm also wondering how an organization looking for high character, who developed him from a college graduate, that worked with him every day for like a decade... could make such a poor evaluation. Like we have a revolving door of randoms like Galchenyuk, Vesey, Ritchie, Bunting, Kase, and you didn't see what you had in Hyman?

 

[Drytoast]

I think there is a lot of revisionist history happening with Hyman. My recollection is that most people were ready to drive him out of town when they heard the number he signed for in Edmonton. It's silly to think he would have replicated his Edmonton numbers here when he has spent a decent portion of his time playing with probably the two best offensive players in the league (certainly the best in McDavid).

The reality is that's the value of those kinds of players.

That's the reality. And that's why we suck. Because as we keep filtering more money to these same 4 assholes...the less we can afford those kind of players to round out the roster.

At some point, Knies is gonna wanna get paid. At some point Benoit is gonna wanna get paid. Or Woll if he actually turns into a solid #1.

Every single summer turns into a large revolving door as we struggle to flesh out this roster because we have to accomodate the selfish stars leading this club.

 

[Confucius]

Apparently there is a football team that has followers because of Taylor Swift. I think they are called swifties.

Maybe the Leafs think they can capture a whole new set of fans, Neelies

 

[hamzarocks]

I saw that he looked good and had several chances, and the stats confirmed it.

It seems some people look at the 'score' sheet, see no goals or assists, and assume a player did nothing.

Nylander, Marner, Matthews, tavares next year are beyond the pt of just getting shots, dominating chances

We should have 4 100 pt players for their cap hits

Ofcourse tavares is a tough crack to hit 60 now. Hes worth 50% of his deal

Matthews + Marner+Nylander should have ~330-350 pts b/w them next year to live up to their insane deals

They chased the money, expectations will be insanely high for them

 

[notDatsyuk]

Hyman should be a lesson as to the issue with having to let good players go as soon as their contracts come up because you gave all your money to 4 selfish pricks.

He is closer to his value of 5.5 mil then William Nylander is to 11.5

By FAR.

And he loved it here, and wanted to stay. But we are cap heavy and stupid.

Yep - they made a mistake in letting a pretty good player go because they didn't want to pay him.

The way to correct that is to let a better player go because a couple of fans don't want them to pay him.

Do you ever think about what you are posting?

 

[notDatsyuk]

The problem is people already think he's a playoff performer.

Relative to the rest of the team (excluding Rielly), he is.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander, Marner, Matthews, tavares next year are beyond the pt of just getting shots, dominating chances

We should have 4 100 pt players for their cap hits

Ofcourse tavares is a tough crack to hit 60 now. Hes worth 50% of his deal

Matthews + Marner+Nylander should have ~330-350 pts b/w them next year to live up to their insane deals

They chased the money, expectations will be insanely high for them

Sure, but that doesn't mean that a four game pointless streak is a guarantee he will never score again, which seems to be what some posters are arguing.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Apparently there is a football team that has followers because of Taylor Swift. I think they are called swifties.

Maybe the Leafs think they can capture a whole new set of fans, Neelies

Willies.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

All 4 are overpaid. They have won one playoff round and lucky to win that.

 

[ZEBROA]

At 7mill Nylander aint overpaid - yet... Next year maby. in five years probably not. I expect the cap to rise , and the top players around him to be paid waaaaay more , even if its the same % of the cap.

Dont know who it started with, but the first 11mil contract started it all. That was the line they should not have passed.

 

[Drytoast]

Yep - they made a mistake in letting a pretty good player go because they didn't want to pay him.

The way to correct that is to let a better player go because a couple of fans don't want them to pay him.

Do you ever think about what you are posting?

It's because of the greed of the really good players that we can't field a solid team. I would rather have a team made up of all Hymans then the shit we have right now