Looking at the xG it seems like you are correct.
xG (actual goals scored)
Zach Hyman 4.9 (1)
Auston Matthews 4.6 (1)
William Nylander 2.5 (5)
Mitchell Marner 2.1 (0)
Alexander Kerfoot 2.1 (1)
Jason Spezza 1.9 (3)
Nylander’s Playoff Breakout
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xG (actual goals scored)
Zach Hyman 4.9 (1)
Auston Matthews 4.6 (1)
William Nylander 2.5 (5)
Mitchell Marner 2.1 (0)
Alexander Kerfoot 2.1 (1)
Jason Spezza 1.9 (3)
Notsince67
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No hiding. Got infracted for calling out the trolling early in the series
Someone run to report you did you just agree with the core certain posters on here Cannot handle criticism and run a report you to get kicked off the board sad
koyvoo
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His contract is absolutely better than the two main gutless fakers on the top line.
I do believe that Willy benefited from not having tough defensive matchups, but at the end of the day, he was the forward who most consistently looked like he may make something happen when he got the puck.
I do believe that Willy benefited from not having tough defensive matchups, but at the end of the day, he was the forward who most consistently looked like he may make something happen when he got the puck.
I see the Marner fanboys have come crawling back just to take digs at the best Leaf player in the playoffs. Absurd.
mac nylander
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He's entering his prime at 26, at a really good AAV.
He looked completely composed and seemed like he really slowed down the game for himself when Marner couldn't even think about it.
I sincerely hope he stays.
Willy has required speed and strength which is required in playoff hockey .. I see him developing more courage every year he plays .. he and Matty are only 2 in our top 4 who should continue to elevate in playoffs based on required skills of speed and strength .. JT will move to wing by 2022/3 season .. hopefully we can get something good for Mitch in trade to reduce our CAP
The Iceman
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We could get Eichel and reduce our cap. At least a little.
Also would speed the JT to LW by one season. Our PP would be much better with Eichel on it.
And I like our 2nd line a whole lot more with Eichel-Willy
stickty111
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They think their boy is insulted if someone says Nylander was better in anything. They also get defensive if someone doesn't believe Marner is this awesome player.
Aashir
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Well Marner ain’t some scrub 3rd liner either to be fair.
Marner has struggled mightily in the playoffs recently, but he has seen success in the past. Washington and Boston 1 particularly. Even if the latter was due to “favourable” matchups. I don’t have faith in him currently but I also don’t believe he will completely fail. It’s a conundrum but it’s so weird what’s going on rn, that I can’t properly judge it. He can turn it around, he might need to tweak his game or he might need a change of scenery for that but it’d be a shame if it were like the kessel situation where he needed to leave to do it cuz then it’s worthless for us. I still think keefe should’ve gotten him and Matthews away from each other and tried either nylander-Matthews, or 3 lines with one on each.
Notsince67
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It would be nice if the coach and gm determined that all agreements with players in the past are now off.
Development wise, Marner has to continue to work on North South speed and shooting and Nylander needs to work on cardio and defensive aspects to be ready for high minutes on a Matthews line. No line or PP unit is safe.
I don't think that is geared at one particular player... the vet execs still all feel very strongly you cannot have that much money tied up in 4 forwards... so all they are saying is one of those contracts has to go. Its obvious to me Marner is the one... but I don't think those interviewed execs focused on one player of another.
Notsince67
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You mean like some get offended when others don’t believe Dubas is an awesome GM?
Pot, meet kettle.
stickty111
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Thats fair but he wasn't good against Washington either. He was pretty bad but that could be mono. It's just wierd every time he doesn't show up, there is an excuse made. Nylander and Matthews were our best players in the Washington series.
Aashir
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Huh? What does that have to do with anything of any relevance to today.
Marner has 12P in 19GP In the last three years playoff years.
Nylander has 15P in 19GP.
One is a 65 point player in the playoffs making 7 mil
One is a 52 point player in the playoffs making 11 mil
Or perhaps they have patience and an understanding that sometimes things can go awry even for the best of us…
And from your post one could ascertain that you get defensive if Marner isn’t seen as $hit player.
body of work means quite literally their body of work.
how are the London Knights not of any relevance?
it could be 2055 and Marners and Nylanders stats as a hockey player will speak to their body of work.
Aashir
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The London knights were 6 years ago. They speak nothing for the players they are now. Marner was the best CHL, not OHL, but CHL player in his D+1, but that doesn’t matter now. His contributions to the London knights success does nothing for us. Marners teammate Christian Dvorak out produced him in his D+1 but no one was or has ever called him better. I don’t get what your point is. How is marners body of work special.
forget it, just answer this, do you think Marner is fair value currently?
Are we doing these Marner Vs Willie again? They both played for the Leafs.
If one of them are being traded, the return package will be different and hopefully makes the Leafs a better team in the playoffs.
To me, if one of them are traded, the end results must be at least TWO top 6 players(not just via trade but also using the cap space to make other trades or sign UFAs) to provide more depth.
I think at the end of the day it will come down to the fact that can any teams be contender with THREE 10mil plus players under the FLAT Cap. Sofar, the Habs is the only team that made it past the first round with ONE 10mil plus player.
If one of them are being traded, the return package will be different and hopefully makes the Leafs a better team in the playoffs.
To me, if one of them are traded, the end results must be at least TWO top 6 players(not just via trade but also using the cap space to make other trades or sign UFAs) to provide more depth.
I think at the end of the day it will come down to the fact that can any teams be contender with THREE 10mil plus players under the FLAT Cap. Sofar, the Habs is the only team that made it past the first round with ONE 10mil plus player.
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I wouldn't be so sure that Marner will turn it around in the playoffs. The 2nd series against Boston was going super for Marner until the Bruins started hammering him. He wilted from that point on and the book was out on him and how to contain him. I don't know how he fixes that...he isn't Kerfoot who takes a beating and gets back at it...and I don't even really like Kerfoot.
I Never liked the contract but when you consider the totality (bargain depth players) of what it does for our team it’s not outlandish.
if he was making 9 (what I was hoping it would be around) would it have made that much of a difference? That’s nearly Kessels retained amount which ends next year.
sure it would have helped but 1.8 is small peanuts in today’s NHL.
high end talent gets paid. I don’t disagree with the two players at 6 is better than one at 12 but I feel like things can get dicey quick in that scheme as well.
for instance would you rather JVR and Komarov or Marner?
Aashir
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I see what you are saying, and that bottom line you have is something that brings up a good point.
That’s why you need a reliable and savvy general manager. instead of JVR and Komarov, you need a Hoffman + Coleman or something idk. Replacing and adding onto marners regular season production is near impossible with 1 player. 100 points won’t be done by Matthews or nylander or Tavares. It’ll need to be done as committee by the whole team.
However, when your stars, Matthews seems to get a pass which is BS, he is supposed to be the best player on the ice against around 27/31 teams, no passes here. Back to the point, when they don’t produce it’s hard to see things working out. Marner IMO needs to tweak his game, become a bit more aggressive, maybe even take the role of nylander from 2019-2020 where he goes for in front of the net goals and looks plays off a bit, it may result in a down year in terms of production, but come playoff time, it’ll be a higher that he can produce and contribute as he’ll have multiple ways of being a threat
I see your point of Marner vs Nylander better now. However, I still think if used wisely, marners cap hit could be spent better if he doesn’t figure his game out in the playoffs
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