Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYI] F Pierre Engvall re-signs with the Islanders (7 years, $3M AAV)

[mouser]

Clutterbuck makes $1.75M

I was referring to his previous contract.

 

[MikeyMike01]

I was referring to his previous contract.

Perhaps reread the comment you originally replied to.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Engvall is bad for just getting completely disengaged. I think he is one of the worst players you could give term to. He will be on waivers by year 4 or 5

 

[Daz28]

Engvall is bad for just getting completely disengaged. I think he is one of the worst players you could give term to. He will be on waivers by year 4 or 5

,,,or he stays healthy, and gives you 7 20 goal seasons on the 3rd line for pretty good value.

 

[HockeyVirus]

,,,or he stays healthy, and gives you 7 20 goal seasons on the 3rd line for pretty good value.

Trust me we watched him for years you guys for a few games with a fire lit under him. He might have a good season but the next he will be completely disengaged player and a coach who gets pissed off. He spent a lot of time on the 4th line because he just floats for long periods

 

[Daz28]

Trust me we watched him for years you guys for a few games with a fire lit under him. He might have a good season but the next he will be completely disengaged player and a coach who gets pissed off. He spent a lot of time on the 4th line because he just floats for long periods

I'll agree with you, but the Islander system is a different animal. His shooting % was high, but he has already shown he could produce at a 40 pt pace there. In a couple years that $3M isn't going to seem like much anyways. Low risk, and I think if the number to bury a guy in the A goes to $2M, then guys like Miles Wood and Pierre will find themselves there finishing off their contracts that they were so happy to sign now at $1M or less actual cap hits.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'll agree with you, but the Islander system is a different animal. His shooting % was high, but he has already shown he could produce at a 40 pt pace there. In a couple years that $3M isn't going to seem like much anyways. Low risk, and I think if the number to bury a guy in the A goes to $2M, then guys like Miles Wood and Pierre will find themselves there finishing off their contracts that they were so happy to sign now at $1M or less actual cap hits.

If you guys are happy that is all that matters. I am biased, I hated Engvall. He to a lot of Leaf fans embodies the bad parts of the Leafs over the years. Soft, lack of heart, floating and disengaged a lot of the time, streaky and shows up once every 15 games.

It was a requirement to move on from him. Also one of our worst playoff performers

 

[Daz28]

If you guys are happy that is all that matters. I am biased, I hated Engvall. He to a lot of Leaf fans embodies the bad parts of the Leafs over the years. Soft, lack of heart, floating and disengaged a lot of the time, streaky and shows up once every 15 games.

It was a requirement to move on from him. Also one of our worst playoff performers

This move has no bearing on my feelings. I just see it as a long term gamble that the Isles are obviously comfortable with. It likely wasn't necessary, but it's not that big of a deal that it blows up in their face. If he gets 20/year, then it will be pretty good value when 4th liners are getting $3M

 

[Mike C]

I'll agree with you, but the Islander system is a different animal. His shooting % was high, but he has already shown he could produce at a 40 pt pace there. In a couple years that $3M isn't going to seem like much anyways. Low risk, and I think if the number to bury a guy in the A goes to $2M, then guys like Miles Wood and Pierre will find themselves there finishing off their contracts that they were so happy to sign now at $1M or less actual cap hits.

40 points?? Wow

OH GOODIE!!

 

[Daz28]

40 points?? Wow

OH GOODIE!!

How many guys drafted last week are going to be perennial 20-20 guys? How many teams will say to themselves "whoopdy dooo" when a guy they drafted does that for them into his thirties? I mean Mike Gartner OH GOODIE!!. Grow up. In 3-4 years a guy giving you 20-20 for $3M will be a great deal. That is if the NHL doesn't become all McDavids and Bedards by then.

 

[Mike C]

How many guys drafted last week are going to be perennial 20-20 guys? How many teams will say to themselves "whoopdy dooo" when a guy they drafted does that for them into his thirties? I mean Mike Gartner OH GOODIE!!. Grow up. In 3-4 years a guy giving you 20-20 for $3M will be a great deal. That is if the NHL doesn't become all McDavids and Bedards by then.

Mike Gartner averaged 70 pts per in 19 seasons

In the equivalent of 3 full seasons roughly, Engvall has averaged 30 pts per. Maybe you think that's good. I think it's average

 

[Daz28]

Mike Gartner averaged 70 pts per in 19 seasons

In the equivalent of 3 full seasons roughly, Engvall has averaged 30 pts per. Maybe you think that's good. I think it's average

Yes, and average players play in the NHL. The trick is you try to get those average players at a lower cost average. That's what the Isles are hoping to do. Does your team not have a third line? If it does, do you scoff at every guy who plays on it that don't score 30 goals?? Mike Gartner is famous for record on 20 goal seasons in a row. It shows that 20 goals is actually not an easy number of goals to reach in an NHL season, and that was when scoring was even higher than now.

 

[Mike C]

Yes, and average players play in the NHL. The trick is you try to get those average players at a lower cost average. That's what the Isles are hoping to do. Does your team not have a third line? If it does, do you scoff at every guy who plays on it that don't score 30 goal Mike Gartner is famous for record on 20 goal seasons in a row. It shows that 20 goals is actually not an easy number of goals to reach in an NHL season, and that was when scoring was even higher than now.

Well, Engvall has never scored 20 in a season and I'm dubious having him around all these years is a good thing. Time will tell obviously but I think Engvall will never again be compared to Mike Gartner after tonight

Let's say he goes between 30 and 40 points. That puts him between numbers 200 to 300 league wide

That production on a mediocre team with a mediocre coach just doesn't excite me for the next several years

 

[Daz28]

Well, Engvall has never scored 20 in a season and I'm dubious having him around all these years is a good thing. Time will tell obviously but I think Engvall will never again be compared to Mike Gartner after tonight

Let's say he goes between 30 and 40 points. That puts him between numbers 200 to 300 league wide

That production on a mediocre team with a mediocre coach just doesn't excite me for the next several years

The 3rd line isn't supposed to be what excites you....Gary Bettman. Engvall paced at 20 for the Isles, and that's what they're viewing. I already said I didn't think the term was necessary at all, but they're gambling on it. He has 4 years PO exp, is actually +3 career playoffs, and last 2 years has got some points.

 

[Mike C]

The 3rd line isn't supposed to be what excites you....Gary Bettman. Engvall paced at 20 for the Isles, and that's what they're viewing. I already said I didn't think the term was necessary at all, but they're gambling on it. He has 4 years PO exp, is actually +3 career playoffs, and last 2 years has got some points.

I'm not Gary Bettman and I personally prefer to wait a little longer than 18 games before I pace him for anything

 

[Daz28]

I'm not Gary Bettman and I personally prefer to wait a little longer than 18 games before I pace him for anything

I would too, but I'm not the Isles, and I have no idea what they saw in Engvall, but clearly they saw something. Sometimes the square peg fits just fine in the other teams puzzle.

 

[Mike C]

I would too, but I'm not the Isles, and I have no idea what they saw in Engvall, but clearly they saw something. Sometimes the square peg fits just fine in the other teams puzzle.

We'll see. Sometimes the peg fits and sometimes a GM gets too old and the game passes him by and a coach gets in over his head

 

[Ciao]

A bit like the Andreas Jonsson contract, only longer.

 

[Osakahaus]

Engvall is bad for just getting completely disengaged. I think he is one of the worst players you could give term to. He will be on waivers by year 4 or 5

He looked fine when he wasn't shackled to the third line from a dopey coach. Even Lame Lambert found out that he has good pressure skills and can actually rip a puck.

 

[HockeyVirus]

He looked fine when he wasn't shackled to the third line from a dopey coach. Even Lame Lambert found out that he has good pressure skills and can actually rip a puck.

I predict Islanders fans will be sick of him by game 40.

Pierre Engvall doesn't live large, but Sheldon Keefe okay with it

Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe believes that Pierre Engvall can be an effective player, even if Engvall is not a physical player.

torontosun.com

“I would like to see more,” the Maple Leafs coach said Saturday morning of his third-line Swedish winger. “With his size and strength, I’ve talked to him at length about closing plays and being more physical.

“At the same time, I’ve coached him a long time (starting with the AHL Marlies in 2017). You push a player and at times you can see that response, but players resort to who they are. The reality is that (full bore aggressiveness) is not in his nature.

You might see flashes but he always reverts into a player who does nothing

 

[shaner8989]

He’s super soft but a nice skater. He’s fine at 3 mill if he can pot 40 points. 7 years is nuts though.

 

[Osakahaus]

I predict Islanders fans will be sick of him by game 40.

Pierre Engvall doesn't live large, but Sheldon Keefe okay with it

Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe believes that Pierre Engvall can be an effective player, even if Engvall is not a physical player.

torontosun.com

You might see flashes but he always reverts into a player who does nothing

and we aren't the Leafs

 

[Mike C]

I predict Islanders fans will be sick of him by game 40.

Pierre Engvall doesn't live large, but Sheldon Keefe okay with it

Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe believes that Pierre Engvall can be an effective player, even if Engvall is not a physical player.

torontosun.com

You might see flashes but he always reverts into a player who does nothing

Then he belongs on a line with Capades!

 

[boredmale]

I predict Islanders fans will be sick of him by game 40.

Pierre Engvall doesn't live large, but Sheldon Keefe okay with it

Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe believes that Pierre Engvall can be an effective player, even if Engvall is not a physical player.

torontosun.com

You might see flashes but he always reverts into a player who does nothing

You might be right but from an Islanders fan perspective we really don't need physical players we have enough of them, what we do lack and he brings is speed. As long as he plays his role defensively and uses his speed to his advantage in the offensive zone(even if not being physical) he does provide us with a skill the team sorely lacks

 

[HockeyVirus]

You might be right but from an Islanders fan perspective we really don't need physical players we have enough of them, what we do lack and he brings is speed. As long as he plays his role defensively and uses his speed to his advantage in the offensive zone(even if not being physical) he does provide us with a skill the team sorely lacks

Well he definitely brings speed and defense. Just really frustrating player to watch because he will randomly get the puck, rush it and rip it bar down and you think woah what a player and then you never see that again for 10, 15, 20 games.

I think Islanders need depth scoring personally not more defensive specialists.