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You realize we were in a shortened season, yes? By the way, I specifically said the DeAngelos types (which Barrie is in) shouldn't win. I'm talking about the Josi's, the Fox's, the Hedman's and what have you.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYI] Adam Pelech signs extension (8 years, $5.75M AAV)
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You realize we were in a shortened season, yes? By the way, I specifically said the DeAngelos types (which Barrie is in) shouldn't win. I'm talking about the Josi's, the Fox's, the Hedman's and what have you.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
CupsOverCash
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What a terrible deal.
....for the teams in the Metro
....for the teams in the Metro
Kane One
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As opposed to any other fans on HF Boards? You made an opinion against the consensus on a sports message board. Not sure why you would expect anything other than to get attacked. It is the sad reality of the time we live in.
The Winter Soldier
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It's short sighted to simply measure the value of D men by points, if you do, then you are watching fantasy hockey, real hockey, as we have seen in these playoffs wins playoff games. We are talking real flesh and blood hockey. Not fantasy sports. I hope you are not comparing Pelech to D men paid in the 9M range. He is paid at 5.75M, for which is excellent value on the ice in prevention of goals, and playing against the best players on other teams is a great contract. Even the Canadiens when they were winning all those cups needed a Savard. TB needed a McDonagh did they not? These are and were elite shut down D men, and Isles locked one a 26 year old elite shut down D man at a modest 5.75 for 8 years.
This is telling:
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just shows how much defense is undervalued, at 5.75M vs 9.5M I take Pelech every time
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just shows how much defense is undervalued, at 5.75M vs 9.5M I take Pelech every time
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In terms of purely intelligent shutdown defensemen in the NHL - for me it’s 1) Slavin, 2) Pelech and then everybody else.
These guys are basically unicorns in terms of what they do and how well they do it. It’s a great deal for the Isles.
That said - can we quit posting fancy graph comparison between players with no actual intelligent analysis as if they prove everything? HFB has now devolved into finding the one pretty graph that proves your side of things - posting it with no analysis - and saying “SEEE!!?!!?”. No context, no breakdown - just a dumb chart with colors. This is the new way lazy way to frame arguments around here I guess. I love these graphs and charts for simply showing the effectiveness of a player…in Pelech’s case, maybe opening eyes of people unaware of him to how effective he is. But I hate when they are used as a comparison tool with no context to prove one players superiority over another.
These guys are basically unicorns in terms of what they do and how well they do it. It’s a great deal for the Isles.
That said - can we quit posting fancy graph comparison between players with no actual intelligent analysis as if they prove everything? HFB has now devolved into finding the one pretty graph that proves your side of things - posting it with no analysis - and saying “SEEE!!?!!?”. No context, no breakdown - just a dumb chart with colors. This is the new way lazy way to frame arguments around here I guess. I love these graphs and charts for simply showing the effectiveness of a player…in Pelech’s case, maybe opening eyes of people unaware of him to how effective he is. But I hate when they are used as a comparison tool with no context to prove one players superiority over another.
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Tries calling out others for being sensative and then starts playing the victim... Priceless.
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No, my fanbase is the worst at that by far I just felt it was unfair how they attacked me because I questioned the notion of steal. Pelech is a great building block and his contract is solid.
Just having a laugh my friend.......
.........wasn't trying to stir anything up.
PS: It is a damned good signing though!!
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Well I questionned the notion of steal and it turned out that I was a hater of the deal which is totally wrong. As for playing the victim what do you mean?
Kane One
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What’s the definition of a “purely shutdown defenseman”? Is that just a great defenseman at actual defensive abilities? Or a great defenseman at actual defensive abilities who isn’t a great offensive player?
I’m assuming you mean the latter, which is absolutely fair.
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This, at best, addresses absolutely nothing that I've brought up. At worst, it actively ignores them. None of what you're saying is something I argued or responded to.
Like I said, nature of the beast - perhaps you are being a tad bit sensitive yourself. it is a sports message board. Brush it off and take it for what it is.
In terms of the notion of a steal, it depends what your measurement is. I think most people measure the contract against other contracts being given out that offseason. To me, relative to some of the contracts being given out, especially on defense, it was an absolute steal. Defense/offense, whatever the semantics of the argument, I would take Pelech's contract over basically every other one given out to a defenseman this offseason. If you have some you want to throw out that are better it would make for a good friendly debate, but I think that is where people are coming in with the steal rhetoric.
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Most important player at our biggest strength. I expected around 7 mil per, but this great. Now have to see what Cizikas and Palms are getting
Good signing for the Isles. Similar to the Morrissey deal I suppose but Pelech has fit like a glove in the defense the last couple of years. Hopefully his best hockey is behind him and he can take it easy now that he's paid.
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I agree 100% with this.
Too many player "comparisons" no longer even involve people explaining, in hockey details, why Player A is superior to Player B. What is it he does well on the ice? What is it Player B struggles to do? What skills allow Player A to succeed? Etc.
Instead, too many discussions on here devolve into someone just slapping down a WAR graph or some other sort of analytics "chart" with zero actual commentary from them and using that as their entire argument.
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I actually did, you compared Josi at 9+M(11.12% of cap at signing) and Hedman at 7.85M(10.79% of cap at signing) per to Pelech who is being paid 5.75M at a 7.06% of the cap.
If you are going to genuinely discuss the contract, then Atleast use somewhat comparable players and contracts which McDonagh is at 6.75M per at 8.49% of the cap at signing. Both are Defensive D men. McDonagh had 12 pts last season, Pelech 14 pts, if you like to focus solely on offence, which is not what shut down D men are paid for.
