Confirmed with Link: [NSH/TOR] Franson and Santorelli for Jokinen, Leipsic, 1st Pt. II

[thewave]

Franson is simply not that good and nowhere near worth $4.2 million per year. I want him nowhere on this team.

This trade has worked in our favor which no can complain about.

You don't know what you're talking about. What 40pt pace multiple seasons in a row defender gets under that who is UFA. You're out to lunch just look at his stats. He isn't that freaking bad.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

what's funny is we won the franson trade both times. against the same team.

got rid of lebda aka 'le bad' when we first traded for him from nashville.

and now we sent him back to nashville and got a 1st and a prospect for him.

this guy is a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yup, great trade. And we also traded Jokinen for a 6th rounder as well. And that 6th could become a 3rd? if St Louis win the cup?

4th round pick if they make the Stanley Cup Finals, but they have to get through Minnesota today before they can even consider the semi-finals.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Ya everyone says that. It's not really true. It's the same as Dion sucks or jake is terrible.

He may not be a 5m guy but he isn't a 3.8m Polak kinda guy either. Polak is garbage at his cap.

Polak has a 2.8 million cap... And I think he's worth every penny of it.

 

[thewave]

The sad part is a lot of you would hand Santorelli 3m to come back and not bat an eyelash. Look at his stats on a good team what a double standard.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You don't know what you're talking about. What 40pt pace multiple seasons in a row defender gets under that who is UFA. You're out to lunch just look at his stats. He isn't that freaking bad.

I think he'll get that kind of money. I don't think he deserves it, but then again, most players in the NHL don't deserve their money (or eventually won't deserve their money).

Honestly, I don't think Franson is a fit here anymore. I want to be done with him, same with many of the players still on our team. They are good players and worth a lot, but they just need to move on to a team with a better shot, and we need to move on so we can focus on building a talented AND congruent team.

 

[thewave]

Polak has a 2.8 million cap... And I think he's worth every penny of it.

Statistically and to my eye he is crap. Ryan O'Byrne same crap, cool looking dude though, very big and strong and a team guy.

So what.

 

[thewave]

I think he'll get that kind of money. I don't think he deserves it, but then again, most players in the NHL don't deserve their money (or eventually won't deserve their money).

Honestly, I don't think Franson is a fit here anymore. I want to be done with him, same with many of the players still on our team. They are good players and worth a lot, but they just need to move on to a team with a better shot, and we need to move on so we can focus on building a talented AND congruent team.

Almost nobody is a fit here, that's why they were losers! You have to start somewhere, whatever big hitting D with a good point shot that actually makes it to the net for the kids to try and bank home.

Good enough for me, sign him up and keep developing.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Statistically and to my eye he is crap. Ryan O'Byrne same crap, cool looking dude though, very big and strong and a team guy.

So what.

Ryan O'Byrne was a piece of trash even before we brought him in. He was never worth a 4th round pick, and especially not as a rental. Polak is a whole lot better than him. Polak may not light up the scoreboard, but he can shutdown good players.

 

[thewave]

Ryan O'Byrne was a piece of trash even before we brought him in. He was never worth a 4th round pick, and especially not as a rental. Polak is a whole lot better than him. Polak may not light up the scoreboard, but he can shutdown good players.

You probably don't want to produce stats for that claim tbh.

 

[7even]

I was never fooled into thinking that Franson was good. He only looked good because he played with Dion this year and got some PP time.

He's garbage though... I wouldn't want him on my team at any price.

lol at people thinking he was worth $5mil.

You're right. 2+ seasons of high end production <<< 30 games with Nashville.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You probably don't want to produce stats for that claim tbh.

Why not. I mean, his Toronto stats weren't great, but then again, whose were?

Though I looked at Gardiner's and Rielly's stats... Damn they are good. They had a 91.9 .SVV% when they were on the ice, and a 7.0%+ shooting percentage, which isn't that great for offensive defensemen, but is pretty good when no one on your team is producing and you aren't playing when Kessel is playing.

 

[thewave]

You're right. 2+ seasons of high end production <<< 30 games with Nashville.

See that's the disconnect. I don't know why anyone is bothered by Franson being on the team for free. We are dumping Dion, who else are we getting? The young guys need a guy like Franson around for a bit. Nobody else gets the puck to the net like him, they can pot some easies up there off of it.

I have no expectations for the club for 4-5 years anyways, save for one... They will play as an organization in the NHL.

 

[The CyNick]

I'm glad the Preds got out early, but I wish Franson And Santo had played better. Now I'm worried that teams will be wary of trading for the Leaf's rentals.

so every future Leafs player is the same as past ones?

 

[Doug Gilmour]

You don't know what you're talking about. What 40pt pace multiple seasons in a row defender gets under that who is UFA. You're out to lunch just look at his stats. He isn't that freaking bad.

He is not worth top 4 money is what I'm saying. If you think he is that is your opinion but I do not agree. "40pt pace" big difference between pace and actual. His stats may say show me the money but his mobility does not match that...or am I watching a different Cody Franson?

If he gets a contract north of $4M per year this offseason I will apologize but until then I disagree.

 

[-DeMo-]

He is not worth top 4 money is what I'm saying. If you think he is that is your opinion but I do not agree. "40pt pace" big difference between pace and actual. His stats may say show me the money but his mobility does not match that...or am I watching a different Cody Franson?

If he gets a contract north of $4M per year this offseason I will apologize but until then I disagree.

I agree with you in terms of him not being very good but I would bet money some team will view him as a solid top 4 guy and pay 4-5-6 million a year on a long term deal, the difference is I believe that will be a mistake and it will be viewed as just another bad contract signed in July.

 

[Drakkor]

He is not worth top 4 money is what I'm saying. If you think he is that is your opinion but I do not agree. "40pt pace" big difference between pace and actual. His stats may say show me the money but his mobility does not match that...or am I watching a different Cody Franson?

If he gets a contract north of $4M per year this offseason I will apologize but until then I disagree.

He'll get a contract north of $4M. I'm not a fan of his but its Free Agency, someone ill overpay a lot. The part I'm gonna laugh the hardest at is the term. He's gonna get that money for 5-6 yrs.

 

[LeafsNation75]

what's funny is we won the franson trade both times. against the same team.

got rid of lebda aka 'le bad' when we first traded for him from nashville.

and now we sent him back to nashville and got a 1st and a prospect for him.

this guy is a gift that keeps on giving.

Depending on who the Leafs select with Nashville's 1st round pick and if Brendan Leipsic has a good to respectable career with the Leafs, this trade will look even better.

 

[crump]

If Leipsic and whomever we draft with this pick ever amount to a significant part of this team, Lebda should get a statue on legends row.

 

[mikeyz]

Check out the thread on "who should we take with the Nashville pick"

It's explained in there on the last few pages. A mod should probably stick the explanation it in the OP.

17-30 place get into the lottery...

"The remaining order is determined by the Stanley Cup playoff results.[7] Whichever team wins the Stanley Cup is awarded the 30th and last pick, while the runner-up is given the 29th pick. The teams eliminated in the conference finals are awarded the 28th and 27th picks, with the 28th pick going to the team with the better regular season record. Remaining division winners are then sorted by points, then the rest of the field are ranked next, filling in the 26th through 15th picks. In both cases, better records result in later picks."

since there are no "Division finals" in the playoffs, the bolded means "Regular season Division winners"

Nashville came in second in their division. there are 4 divisions. They had the second best record of all 2nd place teams in each division (Lightening had more)
[/B]
Pick is at best 21.

I don't think it can get better.

30 - Stanley Cup Champion
29 - Eliminated in Finals
28 - Conference Finalist
27 - Conference Finalist
26 - Division winner with most points
25 - Division winner with second most points
24 - Division winner with third most points
23 - Division winner with fourth most points
22 - Tampa Bay
21 - Nashville

if any of those division winners moves on to the conference finals or Finals the pick gets worse.

We want all the division winners to lose by the second round.( Habs, ducks, blues and Rangers)

If any of those get into the final 4 the pick becomes one worse per team.

Yes I know the cup winner gets 30, the runner up gets 29th and so on and so on.

I was just confused about the 1st round eliminations and where they go.

 

[Daisy Jane]

He'll get a contract north of $4M. I'm not a fan of his but its Free Agency, someone ill overpay a lot. The part I'm gonna laugh the hardest at is the term. He's gonna get that money for 5-6 yrs.

he's the only right handed, younger than 28...and a team that has a bad powerplay will get him. I would not give Cody north of 4. at all. his mobility is not that good and when his hips bother him, it's even more evident.

now while i'd like to you know, move on from the past, if Cody wanted to come back for a reasonable contract, that's one thing. Saying Shanahan should show up at his house in BC and go "here's a blank cheque, let's go."

no. no he should not.

 

[LeafsNation75]

now while i'd like to you know, move on from the past, if Cody wanted to come back for a reasonable contract, that's one thing. Saying Shanahan should show up at his house in BC and go "here's a blank cheque, let's go."

Prior to the Leafs trading Franson back to Nashville wasn't there a report where they offered him a reasonable contract and he turned it down?

 

[PuckMagi]

Yeah, he had 5 points in 26 games in Nashville, I doubt they'll be clamoring to bring him back.

I think Santo's a good 3rd line RWer who can move up if injuries bite. I'd offer him a two year deal at $ 2 - 2.5 million per.

That would be great. I would have been willing to pay a bit more... but considering he didn't play well for Nashville, it would be great to get him in the $2 - $2.5 range.

I really want Winnik back too.

 

[PuckMagi]

Buy low on Franson. I think we can get him for 4.2m same contract as Jake.

Go on the Nashville boards and see what they think of Franson. Most people there thought he was their 7th or 8th best defender. You don't pay $4.2 for a 4th pairing defender on a team that got bounced in the first round.

 

[PuckMagi]

You're right. 2+ seasons of high end production <<< 30 games with Nashville.

He was garbage here. Do you remember how many goals against that he was single handedly responsible for?