Confirmed with Link: [NSH/TOR] Franson and Santorelli for Jokinen, Leipsic, 1st Pt. II

[67Cup]

4th round pick if they make the Stanley Cup Finals, but they have to get through Minnesota today before they can even consider the semi-finals.

Though if the Blues are eliminated, the Nashville pick is promoted one more spot higher in the first round. That might be more valuable than the move from 6th to 4th.

 

[burpsalot]

I agree with you in terms of him not being very good but I would bet money some team will view him as a solid top 4 guy and pay 4-5-6 million a year on a long term deal, the difference is I believe that will be a mistake and it will be viewed as just another bad contract signed in July.

Ditto.

I would have no problem if we signed him, but no where near the price he will be looking for & probably get.

Prior to us trading him I was afraid the suitors would witness some of the blatant give aways.

Polak may not be the prettiest D, but he's a good leader & one of the few Leafs that seemed to have any pride.

Santorelli, would be a good 3rd liner & character guy for the next few years of a rebuild, dropping down as we get more depth. 2 years at $2million

 

[HellasLEAF]

Do we have to wait for the playoffs to be over to find out where the Nash pick is?

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

Do we have to wait for the playoffs to be over to find out where the Nash pick is?

We have to wait for the 2nd round to be over at least.

 

[burpsalot]

Do we have to wait for the playoffs to be over to find out where the Nash pick is?

Yes & maybe not, depending on who advances.

 

[htpwn]

Go on the Nashville boards and see what they think of Franson. Most people there thought he was their 7th or 8th best defender. You don't pay $4.2 for a 4th pairing defender on a team that got bounced in the first round.

Franson has played over 200 games in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs.

I don't see why anybody here should have to rely on a 30 game stint with the Predators to know what he brings and doesn't bring as a player.

 

[Hyperglide]

If Leipsic and whomever we draft with this pick ever amount to a significant part of this team, Lebda should get a statue on legends row.

lol so should Matthew Lombardi. Part of LACK. I remember that in order to get Franson we had to take Lombardi back because of his cap hit on a stricken Preds team who have a strict internal cap.

 

[PuckMagi]

Franson has played over 200 games in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs.

I don't see why anybody here should have to rely on a 30 game stint with the Predators to know what he brings and doesn't bring as a player.

Ya... and he sucked in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs too.

 

[Drakkor]

he's the only right handed, younger than 28...and a team that has a bad powerplay will get him. I would not give Cody north of 4. at all. his mobility is not that good and when his hips bother him, it's even more evident.

now while i'd like to you know, move on from the past, if Cody wanted to come back for a reasonable contract, that's one thing. Saying Shanahan should show up at his house in BC and go "here's a blank cheque, let's go."

no. no he should not.

I personally would not offer him a contract at all. Just not a fan of his play.

I feel that we should fill that hole with a player that is obtained through one of the trades that should occur this spring/summer. I think the return on investment with Franson has maximized. Time to invest in a new player.

 

[htpwn]

Ya... and he sucked in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs too.

At times. At other times, not so much.

 

[thewave]

Ya... and he sucked in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs too.

He is PP guy... They didn't even use him for that. He also ended with NSH a +1

He outpaced Dion for pts the past 2-3 seasons as well I think. Does Franson and Dion suck that bad or do we have a bunch of forwards that hang them out to dry?

Saying Franson sucks is extreme. Same people said Gunner sucks and Jake and Dion. They don't all suck.. The team as a whole sure does though.

 

[pucci2001]

He is PP guy... They didn't even use him for that. He also ended with NSH a +1

He outpaced Dion for pts the past 2-3 seasons as well I think. Does Franson and Dion suck that bad or do we have a bunch of forwards that hang them out to dry?

Saying Franson sucks is extreme. Same people said Gunner sucks and Jake and Dion. They don't all suck.. The team as a whole sure does though.

They both are pretty bad defensively. Franson is a PP specialist with a seeing eye shot, Dion is offensive minded with a big shot, big hit once in a while but boy are they both slow. Neither are great, Dion could be a fantastic #3 guy or even a #2 if your number 1 is a guy like Suter or Shea. We had poor defensive forwards and poor defensive defensemen, the only ppl consistently hung out to dry were our goalies for the last 3 or 4 years. Dion is awkwardly wimpy in our own end when people are messing with our goalie or lingering after plays.

 

[yubbers]

Polak may not be the prettiest D, but he's a good leader & one of the few Leafs that seemed to have any pride.

He's hot garbage. What exactly shows you he is a good leader?

 

[burpsalot]

He's hot garbage. What exactly shows you he is a good leader?

www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/why-roman-polak-is-one-of-the-toughest-nhl-players/#3977853978001

Among other things, including his passion on the ice.

 

[hfdshdh]

Ya... and he sucked in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs too.

Truly a wonderfully insightful, thorough and convincing analysis.

 

[TheCLAM]

Franson has played over 200 games in the last 4 seasons with the Leafs.

I don't see why anybody here should have to rely on a 30 game stint with the Predators to know what he brings and doesn't bring as a player.

IMO it's hard to gauge what Franson actually is..

Is he a top 4 defenseman, PP specialist or a defenseman competing with little depth on a weak Toronto defense? I'm not so sure he's a top 4 defenseman at this point in time.

He's in his late 20's and often times get caught with speed on the outside. I don't see why we would go towards picking up an immobile defenseman. Our pro scouts pulled the trigger on a deal at the right time. I don't think he'll ever make the jump as a staple in the top 4. He'll play a couple more seasons at a high level then his skating with become detrimental as he becomes older. I don't see the value in signing him for 5 years at 4.2 million etc

He has a great shot on the PP, size and hockey IQ. The issue is that he'll always be a step behind because skating is not a strength. I don't like the idea of building around a defenseman with poor gap control. I see why people are enarmoured with his abilities, however, skating is a big factor in the formulation of my own ideology

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Though if the Blues are eliminated, the Nashville pick is promoted one more spot higher in the first round. That might be more valuable than the move from 6th to 4th.

Well the worst we can do is 25th now with St. Louis out. We move to 24th if Tampa loses to Detroit. Beyond that, the best we can do is 21st if Montreal, NYR or Anaheim loses before the conference finals.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Well the worst we can do is 25th now with St. Louis out. We move to 24th if Tampa loses to Detroit. Beyond that, the best we can do is 21st if Montreal, NYR or Anaheim loses before the conference finals.

Minnesota or Chicago are guaranteed to make it to the conference finals as they face each other next rd.

This means one of them will move ahead of Nashville, so we indeed have 24th locked up for now. The pick is 21-24 as of tonight.

 

[Purity*]

Minnesota or Chicago are guaranteed to make it to the conference finals as they face each other next rd.

This means one of them will move ahead of Nashville, so we indeed have 24th locked up for now. The pick is 21-24 as of tonight.

All for 2 players who disappeared for Nashville completely.

What'd ya think of Santorelli being absolute crap in Nashville as opposed to playing the best hockey of his career beside Nazem Kadri in Toronto? Can't deny that Nazem played a big part in getting back as much as we did for Santa.

 

[TheCLAM]

All for 2 players who disappeared for Nashville completely.

What'd ya think of Santorelli being absolute crap in Nashville as opposed to playing the best hockey of his career beside Nazem Kadri in Toronto? Can't deny that Nazem played a big part in getting back as much as we did for Santa.

Sometimes players just fit into one system better than another. Santorelli/Franson both had more ice-time for the Leafs and were able to capitalize. I dont believe that Kadri played a big part he put up 39 points not 77 carrying the line. The point gap was 6 not 35 which would give me reason to believe that Kadri was a cog in Santorelli production

There an old saying hardwork pays off.. Santorelli inevitably took his role seriously and produced in turn

 

[Purity*]

Sometimes players just fit into one system better than another. Santorelli/Franson both had more ice-time for the Leafs and were able to capitalize. I dont believe that Kadri played a big part he put up 39 points not 77 carrying the line. The point gap was 6 not 35 which would give me reason to believe that Kadri was a cog in Santorelli production

There an old saying hardwork pays off.. Santorelli inevitably took his role seriously and produced in turn

Were you watching Leafs games?

Basically the only time we had any possession in the O-zone was with Kadri-Santa on the ice. Santa just couldn't get it done with any of the Nashville centers.

 

[Gallagbi]

Sometimes players just fit into one system better than another. Santorelli/Franson both had more ice-time for the Leafs and were able to capitalize. I dont believe that Kadri played a big part he put up 39 points not 77 carrying the line. The point gap was 6 not 35 which would give me reason to believe that Kadri was a cog in Santorelli production

There an old saying hardwork pays off.. Santorelli inevitably took his role seriously and produced in turn

Did he stop taking things seriously in NSH?

 

[TheCLAM]

Were you watching Leafs games?

Basically the only time we had any possession in the O-zone was with Kadri-Santa on the ice. Santa just couldn't get it done with any of the Nashville centers.

It's not really hard to figure out that chemistry is a factor. Did Santorelli have chemistry with Kadri? Absolutely..

Is Kadri the sole purpose of Santorelli having a good season? No. Santorelli was able to open up time and space with his speed/gritty style of play.

He was relied on in the role he had in Toronto. Nashville his role was very much different. A lesser role is going to decrease possible point totals.

 

[TheCLAM]

Did he stop taking things seriously in NSH?

He just didn't get the breaks and develop chemistry with his line-mates. It doesn't have anything to do with work ethic more so role/ice-time

I can't pigeon hole Santorelli as a product of Kadri. It's ridiculous to suggest that notation based on Kadri putting up a career worst 39 points.

If Kadri put up 70 points and Santorelli finished with 40.. I could assume he riding his coat tails. Both entities however, drove the play for each other

 

[Purity*]

He just didn't get the breaks and develop chemistry with his line-mates. It doesn't have anything to do with work ethic more so role/ice-time

I can't pigeon hole Santorelli as a product of Kadri. It's ridiculous to suggest that notation based on Kadri putting up a career worst 39 points.

If Kadri put up 70 points and Santorelli finished with 40.. I could assume he riding his coat tails. Both entities however, drove the play for each other

Where's the logic in this?

Santa went from playing great hockey with Naz to playing utterly terrible and even being a healthy scratch in Nashville. Kadri's point totals have nothing to do with that. His linemates changed so much during the seasons (Holland's as well). I will give you that though, Kadri's production did benefit from playing with someone he actually had chemistry with.