Confirmed with Link: [NSH/TOR] Franson and Santorelli for Jokinen, Leipsic, 1st Pt. II

[Stephen]

Santorelli and Kadri were nice compliments to one another, but I think Santa's success comes from the confidence of being able to have a bigger role on a bad team.

 

[Super Mega]

He just didn't get the breaks and develop chemistry with his line-mates. It doesn't have anything to do with work ethic more so role/ice-time

I can't pigeon hole Santorelli as a product of Kadri. It's ridiculous to suggest that notation based on Kadri putting up a career worst 39 points.

If Kadri put up 70 points and Santorelli finished with 40.. I could assume he riding his coat tails. Both entities however, drove the play for each other

Do you think Kadri and Santorelli are comparable?

 

[Beleafer4]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

 

[Anthrax442]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

1 year, 1.5 max

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

This has been a big problem with this team. Overpayment for too long to 3rd liners.

 

[MapleLife*]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

absolutely not

 

[SprDaVE]

I wouldn't go over 2.5M for Santorelli, and that's my absolute max on a 2 or 3 year deal. He's not your prototypical 3rd liner and can move up and down your lineup with ease. With the big purge coming up, he's the kind of stop gap that can be worth having on this team. He'll easily be moved when it's time to move on and that can be worth it once again.

Good hard worker with decent skill level. I think there's a team that will definitely offer more though and for that, I hope he does well.

 

[thewave]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

You're allowed (or should be) one contract for a 3rd liner that is special. We have Komarov. The sum of 3rd line should be around 6-7m. Someone will likely take Santa anyways above 2m and that someone should not be us.

Komarov Holland Panik is fine for now.

 

[TheCLAM]

Do you think Kadri and Santorelli are comparable?

Both play a different game, so no they aren't comparable. They just happen to catch some chemistry together. It's pretty clear Kadri is a top 6 while Santorelli is more of a top 9 guy.

 

[TheCLAM]

This has been a big problem with this team. Overpayment for too long to 3rd liners.

If we move some of our big name we'll need to get some vets. Whether that's via trade or signing we should have an abundance of cap space

 

[ACC1224]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

Too much money for that term.

 

[Nithoniniel]

I would LOVE Santa back for 3x3

1 year, 1.5 max

We are rebuilding, the next three years our cap hits won't matter much. Especially not when you're not talking about major numbers. On the other hand, Santorelli is exactly the type of character I want on this team during this rebuild.

I don't think it'll take $3M to get Santo here for three years, but if he comes here I won't care about cap hit that much.

 

[TheCLAM]

Where's the logic in this?

Santa went from playing great hockey with Naz to playing utterly terrible and even being a healthy scratch in Nashville. Kadri's point totals have nothing to do with that. His linemates changed so much during the seasons (Holland's as well). I will give you that though, Kadri's production did benefit from playing with someone he actually had chemistry with.

It's a misconception and blind-sided approach people take without actually looking at the stats. Kadri/Santorelli were in on the play with each other the most in December. Santorelli had 20 points w/out Kadri and 9 points w Kadri. I think you may be confused by the thrill of good chemistry in December vs reality of the stats

Mike Santorelli

October
10 gp, 1g, 4a none with Kadri
5 points w/out Kadri

November
- 13 gp 2 g 6 assists 8 points
- November 26th Leo Komarov goal, primary assist Santorelli, secondary Kadri
- 7 points w/out Kadri

December
- 15 gp, 5g 6a 11 points
- December 2nd - Santo on a Kadri goal, Santo w secondary assist.
- December 4th - Santo primary assist on Kadri goal
- December 9th - Santo empty net goal primary's assist from Kadri
- December 13th - Santo secondary assist on a Kadri empty net
- December 14 - Santo secondary assist, Kadri primary
- December 29 - Santo goal, Kadri primary assist
- 4 w/out Kadri

January
13gp 1 goal 1 assist
- 2 points w/out Kadri

February
7 gp - 1g 2a
February 7th - Santorelli goal - Kadri primary assist
- 2 points w/out Kadri

Based on the fact that Santorelli had 28 points/49 gp - Vancouver, and 29/57gp on Toronto.. No I don't believe Kadri is the sole purpose of Santorelli average production

 

[deletethis]

I think it's a valid question to ask whether Komarov will want to come back to Toronto next season. He may be a player the Leafs are forced to move to a contender because he has other options in Europe.

 

[deletethis]

I think a player like Santorelli came to the Leafs to build up his UFA value. He did that. I doubt he'd want to return for anything other than the journeyman version of a retirement contract. The Leafs can get away with a few of these deals of no more than 3 years while re-building but is Santorelli one of those guys? Wouldn't that $3M be of better use buying another 1 year guy like Santorelli/Winnik who can be dealt at the trade deadline for much needed draft picks?

 

[Joey24]

I think it's a valid question to ask whether Komarov will want to come back to Toronto next season. He may be a player the Leafs are forced to move to a contender because he has other options in Europe.

he may be a fan favourite but he's another 3rd line player who on a rebuilding team will probably get a bigger roll then he deserves and when his contract is up will be looking for more money then he deserves.

This is where teams like Chicago thrive, keep the core of your core together and when the roll players want a raise you trade them out or let them walk replace them with a hungry guy up and coming who will play the energy game and there ya go.


Keep your bottom 2 lines cheap and spend on the top 2 lines and D.

 

[TheCLAM]

I think it's a valid question to ask whether Komarov will want to come back to Toronto next season. He may be a player the Leafs are forced to move to a contender because he has other options in Europe.

He just signed a 4 year deal worth close to 3 million per season. What are you even talking about with Europe options?

 

[TheGroceryStick]

he may be a fan favourite but he's another 3rd line player who on a rebuilding team will probably get a bigger roll then he deserves and when his contract is up will be looking for more money then he deserves.

This is where teams like Chicago thrive, keep the core of your core together and when the roll players want a raise you trade them out or let them walk replace them with a hungry guy up and coming who will play the energy game and there ya go.


Keep your bottom 2 lines cheap and spend on the top 2 lines and D.

You can't be more right.

It a market that loves getting attached to guys; it is tough for manage to follow this philosophy. Can only imagine the scrutiny if we traded / let walk a Byfuglien or a Ladd - Or what I think will happen, a Shaw.

It takes a great management to have this forward thinking. You don't always have to trade a guy when his value is the lowest - the make sense trades should and I hope will be appreciated in Toronto.

 

[paulhiggins]

I think it's a valid question to ask whether Komarov will want to come back to Toronto next season. He may be a player the Leafs are forced to move to a contender because he has other options in Europe.

I wonder if we could get Pittsburgh's 2nd + a prospect for him?

 

[ACC1224]

I think it's a valid question to ask whether Komarov will want to come back to Toronto next season. He may be a player the Leafs are forced to move to a contender because he has other options in Europe.

He'd be on the 4th line on a contender. He makes too much money for that.

 

[deletethis]

he may be a fan favourite but he's another 3rd line player who on a rebuilding team will probably get a bigger roll then he deserves and when his contract is up will be looking for more money then he deserves.

This is where teams like Chicago thrive, keep the core of your core together and when the roll players want a raise you trade them out or let them walk replace them with a hungry guy up and coming who will play the energy game and there ya go.


Keep your bottom 2 lines cheap and spend on the top 2 lines and D.

Chicago is absolutely the most ideal situation. For the Leafs to get there they'll need to start producing NHL players at a better rate from their farm system. For the first time in more than a decade the Leafs look poised to start producing these hungry bottom of the lineup guys. Too bad that the top of our lineup isn't remotely good enough.

If Komarov does stay and puts up more points over the next 2 years and a half, that can be a good thing for big payout at the trade deadline.

 

[TheCLAM]

Chicago is absolutely the most ideal situation. For the Leafs to get there they'll need to start producing NHL players at a better rate from their farm system. For the first time in more than a decade the Leafs look poised to start producing these hungry bottom of the lineup guys. Too bad that the top of our lineup isn't remotely good enough.

If Komarov does stay and puts up more points over the next 2 years and a half, that can be a good thing for big payout at the trade deadline.

Chicago knows better to have a 4th line player making 3 million.. They've proved this by trading away an abundance of Stanley Cup winning depth players. It's "ideal" for the Leafs not realistic as a hockey trade

 

[Super Mega]

I like Santorelli but my worry is that when he is not on a prove it type flyer contract that his work ethic will suffer

especially in a 3 year contract

leafs need hungry players

 

[Super Mega]

Chicago knows better to have a 4th line player making 3 million.. They've proved this by trading away an abundance of Stanley Cup winning depth players. It's "ideal" for the Leafs not realistic as a hockey trade

Bickell?

 

[Joey24]

Chicago is absolutely the most ideal situation. For the Leafs to get there they'll need to start producing NHL players at a better rate from their farm system. For the first time in more than a decade the Leafs look poised to start producing these hungry bottom of the lineup guys. Too bad that the top of our lineup isn't remotely good enough.

If Komarov does stay and puts up more points over the next 2 years and a half, that can be a good thing for big payout at the trade deadline.

Everyone sees Kom for what he is. a reliable 3rd 4th liner who brings energy and is good defensivly. That's great but he makes a lot of money now for what he brings, no team is going to touch what he would command given 2nd line minutes and an increased offensive roll. He is good and I like him but ffs he's a 3rd or 4th liner on a good- great team. maybe even a sub in and out of the line up type of guy.