Confirmed Signing with Link: [NSH] F Steven Stamkos signs with the Predators (4 years, $8M AAV)

[JPT]

Well, ROR-Stamkos/Novak-Sissons will be a lot better than what we had last year and even in the finals.

I really doubt he fell off so incredibly hard that he's a bottom 6 forward.

His last three seasons have been productive, so I think Nashville will be fine with him.

 

[Soundgarden]

Maybe. Plays die on his stick a lot. If you can use him as just a shot, 5v5, we'll, Kucherov could sometimes.

Curious, how many goals do you think Stamkos will score in the next four years? Total and in a single season?

 

[General Fanager]

Was he? Stamkos was offered 8.5m months before he signed it. They didnt make him sweat it out--that was his decision. You can say they lowballed him, but then consider that hedman, by FAR the more valuable of the two, signed for 7.8.

Again. It's not bowing to Hedman. Hedman signs for less money than Stamkos, and he has been one of the most valuable handful of players in the league. He doesn't sweat anything because he just signs.


I honestly don't think you've watched Stamkos in a few years.

Really?

Hagel - early deal
Vasey - early deal
Kuch - early deal
Point - early deal
Hedman - early deal


Stamkos - made him wait......


Now I am not saying he should or should not come before any of those guys. I just mean teams usually have a standard way of doing things. They did it for most of the guys. Its curious why not Stamkos

 

[The Macho King]

Ok, we don't need them to all hit 40, but the fact that we have three 40 goal scorers from this season should signal an improvement.

We added two guys in the top 15 scoring, I don't see how this doesn't put us into contending status.

Well most, if not all, of our core is still playing well so it shouldn't be a problem.

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, I'm sure he'll figure out how to score without Kucherov.

Dude... they're not Kucherov. The guy who has 3 of the top 4 assist seasons from a winger all time and just hit 100 assists in a season.

Production will drop. The question is does it drop to 35 goals or 30. The first you can live with. The second is going to be rough.

 

[Soundgarden]

Dude... they're not Kucherov. The guy who has 3 of the top 4 assist seasons from a winger all time and just hit 100 assists in a season.

Production will drop. The question is does it drop to 35 goals or 30. The first you can live with. The second is going to be rough.

I don't think you know how good Josi is as a playmaker, he's got 175+ points the last two seasons. Again, Stamkos is a big boy, he can play with Josi.

Also, I don't think you realize how bad Nashville's offense has been historically. If he scores 30 goals the next four seasons that'll make Stamkos seventh all time for us, behind guys like Legwand who played nearly 1,000 games and Erat who played over 700 games for us.
35 goals in a season would be the 4th most for us all time.

 

[Armourboy]

I don't think you know how good Josi is as a playmaker, he's got 175+ points the last two seasons. Again, Stamkos is a big boy, he can play with Josi.

Also, I don't think you realize how bad Nashville's offense has been historically. If he scores 30 goals the next four seasons that'll make Stamkos seventh all time for us, behind guys like Legwand who played nearly 1,000 games and Erat who played over 700 games for us.
35 goals in a season would be the 4th most for us all time.

I'm also laughing that 35 goals is fine but 30 is suddenly a problem. Dude will be replacing guys that got like 15 goals, 30 would be just fine.

 

[Soundgarden]

I'm also laughing that 35 goals is fine but 30 is suddenly a problem. Dude will be replacing guys that got like 15 goals, 30 would be just fine.

Right. 31 goals would tie him for the 7th best goal scoring season for us.

 

[DFC]

Curious, how many goals do you think Stamkos will score in the next four years? Total and in a single season?

Next year, 25-30. Total... 90ish?

At least half on the PP.

 

[Soundgarden]

Next year, 25-30. Total... 90ish?

At least half on the PP.

That would put him just outside the top 10 for most goals for us, well worth the contract at that point.

 

[DFC]

Really?

Hagel - early deal
Vasey - early deal
Kuch - early deal
Point - early deal
Hedman - early deal


Stamkos - made him wait......


Now I am not saying he should or should not come before any of those guys. I just mean teams usually have a standard way of doing things. They did it for most of the guys. Its curious why not Stamkos

We made Stamkos wait this year. His last contract, there was an offer on the table for months. He ultimately signed it. The other guys just signed their first offer. And they all took either less money or less cap. They did the standard for Stamkos too. He just didn't sign.

This contract was different. They made him wait to get his first and only offer. But his 5v5 game has dropped off more than people realize. Our PP has been fine without him every time he has missed significant time, and that's really where he brings value to a team these days.

That would put him just outside the top 10 for most goals for us, well worth the contract at that point.

Possibly. I think he will score some goals this year and then be a 20ish goal scorer on average. 45 or 55 points. He will hurt you at ES. If that's worth 8m to Nashville, I'll believe you.

 

[DFC]

I don't think you know how good Josi is as a playmaker, he's got 175+ points the last two seasons. Again, Stamkos is a big boy, he can play with Josi.

Also, I don't think you realize how bad Nashville's offense has been historically. If he scores 30 goals the next four seasons that'll make Stamkos seventh all time for us, behind guys like Legwand who played nearly 1,000 games and Erat who played over 700 games for us.
35 goals in a season would be the 4th most for us all time.

I don't know if he will hit 30. High 20s or 30 if you give him a good role on the PP. I'm not sure if you'll want to because Forsberg is better in that spot.

Lol you really don't know Stamkos at all. You're looking at his numbers. Even in his prime, he only found chemistry with two players 5v5, and neither of them were Hedman.

He needs that chemistry to really be effective. Don't get me wrong, he's found it short term a few times.

I'm not saying he won't make you better. But you're kidding yourself if you think you got an 80 point player here. So if you can find a place on the PP where he can excel and be the best option (who's Nashville's net front guy? That's my bet), he will put up a few points, but not 80. I would guess 60. That's what I think he would be if Point were in Kucherov's spot on the PP.

 

[JPT]

Next year, 25-30. Total... 90ish?

At least half on the PP.

I think Nashville would be happy with a guy putting up 15 PPG next season by himself.

 

[JPT]

My feeling is, and this is entirely speculative, Trotz and Brunette wanted a couple of forwards to take pressure off of the top line by forcing other teams to choose their defensive match ups more wisely. It helps that one of them is a PP specialist and the other is a play off gamer.

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't know if he will hit 30. High 20s or 30 if you give him a good role on the PP. I'm not sure if you'll want to because Forsberg is better in that spot.

Lol you really don't know Stamkos at all. You're looking at his numbers. Even in his prime, he only found chemistry with two players 5v5, and neither of them were Hedman.

He needs that chemistry to really be effective. Don't get me wrong, he's found it short term a few times.

I'm not saying he won't make you better. But you're kidding yourself if you think you got an 80 point player here. So if you can find a place on the PP where he can excel and be the best option (who's Nashville's net front guy? That's my bet), he will put up a few points, but not 80. I would guess 60. That's what I think he would be if Point were in Kucherov's spot on the PP.

That would be just under 10th most points in an individual season by a predator.

My feeling is, and this is entirely speculative, Trotz and Brunette wanted a couple of forwards to take pressure off of the top line by forcing other teams to choose their defensive match ups more wisely. It helps that one of them is a PP specialist and the other is a play off gamer.

This is definitely the most talented top 6 we've ever had.

 

[DFC]

That would be just under 10th most points in an individual season by a predator.


This is definitely the most talented top 6 we've ever had.

Our second line is really bad, and Stamkos made it worse.

I mean he's still a good player. If you're good with 8m for him, that's great, but you're setting the bar kind of low if you're only measuring him against a fairly dismal offensive history. Marchessault is likely to be significantly better, and you got him for 5.5, if memory serves.

I think Nashville would be happy with a guy putting up 15 PPG next season by himself.

Yeah, he might do that.

My feeling is, and this is entirely speculative, Trotz and Brunette wanted a couple of forwards to take pressure off of the top line by forcing other teams to choose their defensive match ups more wisely. It helps that one of them is a PP specialist and the other is a play off gamer.

They aren't going to match their best up against Stamkos. Not unless he's on your top line.

 

[Soundgarden]

Our second line is really bad, and Stamkos made it worse.

I mean he's still a good player. If you're good with 8m for him, that's great, but you're setting the bar kind of low if you're only measuring him against a fairly dismal offensive history. Marchessault is likely to be significantly better, and you got him for 5.5, if memory serves.


Yeah, he might do that.


They aren't going to match their best up against Stamkos. Not unless he's on your top line.

Marchessault and Stamkos will most likely be on the same 2nd line, assuming Forsberg-ROR-Evangelista/Nyquist is the first.

 

[DFC]

Marchessault and Stamkos will most likely be on the same 2nd line, assuming Forsberg-ROR-Evangelista/Nyquist is the first.

Yeah, top line will get the stiffer competition. Marchessault might actually click with Stamkos a bit. Probably not long term, but he has a decent style for it. We've only seen it with MSL and Kucherov.

 

[Seanaconda]

Really?

Hagel - early deal
Vasey - early deal
Kuch - early deal
Point - early deal
Hedman - early deal


Stamkos - made him wait......


Now I am not saying he should or should not come before any of those guys. I just mean teams usually have a standard way of doing things. They did it for most of the guys. Its curious why not Stamkos

I think kuch missed training camp a few times with contracts

 

[JPT]

Our second line is really bad, and Stamkos made it worse.

I mean he's still a good player. If you're good with 8m for him, that's great, but you're setting the bar kind of low if you're only measuring him against a fairly dismal offensive history. Marchessault is likely to be significantly better, and you got him for 5.5, if memory serves.


Yeah, he might do that.


They aren't going to match their best up against Stamkos. Not unless he's on your top line.

I don't actually have anything to do with the Nashville Predators, so it won't be *my* top line

 

[Bone Density]

I have some concerns with Stamkos, but damn I'm happy for Preds fans.

Let them have this.

 

[triggrman]

Dude... they're not Kucherov. The guy who has 3 of the top 4 assist seasons from a winger all time and just hit 100 assists in a season.

Production will drop. The question is does it drop to 35 goals or 30. The first you can live with. The second is going to be rough.

Not reallly. He’s replacing Trenin and Sissons. We also signed Marchessault to help.


It’s really funny how bad Stamkos will suck here.

 

[ThunderRoad]

He's not going to suck. He won't be worth 8M in all likelihood, but if Nashville can absorb the cap hit, then it doesn't matter. Tampa can't afford to do that and we've been playing Moneyball for years due to serious cap constraints.

Also think Nashville agreed to overpay in order to get his pedigree. He's been the best captain in the league by all accounts, is a Stanley Cup winner, and his work ethic is top notch. They want him to mentor the younger guys and he's great at that.

McDonagh when he got traded back called Stamkos first thing and when he talked to Stammer, both Stamkos and Kucherov were working on-ice drills a week after getting bounced in the playoffs. That is the culture established in Tampa and I'm sure a culture Trotz would love to see instilled in Nashville.

It's wrong for him to be wearing that jersey though so when these 4 years are up, Stamkos needs to come on back home and take up a position in the front office. Whether BriseBois is still there or not remains to be seen.

After this PR nightmare with the Tampa fanbase, it's quite possible BriseBois' office chair is getting a little warm if this roster shake-up doesn't pan out, along with his recent trade blunders past 2 seasons (this summer being the exception, but those trades were to fix his previous mistakes).

 

[Dirty Dan]

Their team is full of shooters and not much playmaking, weird team

Stamkos/March/Josi/Forsberg someone is gonna take a dip in goals. Their top PP their gonna have to probably keep Marchessault off and have Nyquist or O'Reilly.

A fairly old team as well at the top end, but will be interesting to see their playstyle

 

[Soundgarden]

Their team is full of shooters and not much playmaking, weird team

Stamkos/March/Josi/Forsberg someone is gonna take a dip in goals. Their top PP their gonna have to probably keep Marchessault off and have Nyquist or O'Reilly.

A fairly old team as well at the top end, but will be interesting to see their playstyle

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, and Forsberg's ability is overlooked because of his goal scoring talent.

 

[JPT]

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, and Forsberg's ability is overlooked because of his goal scoring talent.

Yeah Forsberg can make plays by either shooting or passing. Nyquist is a hell of a playmaker. I would put Novak on the list of guys who can set up plays, too.