Confirmed Signing with Link: [NSH] F Steven Stamkos signs with the Predators (4 years, $8M AAV)

[Seanaconda]

So does this make kucherovs last season more impressive than Mackinnons in hindsight

 

[RogerRogerr]

So does this make kucherovs last season more impressive than Mackinnons in hindsight

Always was.

 

[SoundAndFury]

So does this make kucherovs last season more impressive than Mackinnons in hindsight

I don't think Stamkos's being there or not really made much of a difference. Stamkos did what every offensive forward would have done in that situation, being an option for Kucherov on the PP, that is.

 

[majormajor]

Kucherov was the stir in Tampa and management correctly identified stamkos as expendable.


Looks like they were right

I thought everyone with knowledge of the situation knew that. Stat nerds and Bolts fans were united in saying that Stamkos was a bad 5v5 player.

 

[tabness]

would still take him in Detroit for 4 million if Nashville wants to retain 50%

 

[Oilslick941611]

I thought everyone with knowledge of the situation knew that. Stat nerds and Bolts fans were united in saying that Stamkos was a bad 5v5 player.

To be fair. I don’t pay much attention to Tampa or much of the eastern conference. So no. I didn’t know most people you united on that opinion.

 

[ijuka]

Looks like this guy is cooked.

Well, I'll give him some time, but yeah. Not great. That's a lot of money.

 

[HawksDub89]

Of course he’s cooked lol. He’s 34 lol.

2 years would’ve been reasonable, 4 years was a disaster from the beginning.

 

[GaboriklessWild]

Year 3 and 4 are going to be rough.

The guy has one point and his team is second to last in the standings. I think it's already rough.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Seen Stamkos?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Always was.

100%

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Looks like this guy is cooked.

Well, I'll give him some time, but yeah. Not great. That's a lot of money.

I don't think he looks fully "cooked" to me. He hasn't had great luck so far. He is also being over-used. The team around him isn't meshing. I have seen some "cooked" players recently (Turris, Johansen)... he's not in that category. He should be a solid 30/30 kind of player at this point in his career, with appropriate utilization. Whether that is worth 4x$8M is still debateable. But I don't think it equates to being "cooked".

 

[nturn06]

So does this make kucherovs last season more impressive than Mackinnons in hindsight

Yes, 5-6 games is a big enough sample

 

[LevelingSolo]

The Lightning franchise in the Vinik era has constantly made good decisions, though the choice to move on from Stamkos was controversial at the time it made sense given the age and term he was looking for

 

[Brookbank]

Of course he’s cooked lol. He’s 34 lol.

2 years would’ve been reasonable, 4 years was a disaster from the beginning.

And at 8 aav. One less year than Lecavlair's Philly deal i guess

 

[ijuka]

I don't think he looks fully "cooked" to me. He hasn't had great luck so far. He is also being over-used. The team around him isn't meshing. I have seen some "cooked" players recently (Turris, Johansen)... he's not in that category. He should be a solid 30/30 kind of player at this point in his career, with appropriate utilization. Whether that is worth 4x$8M is still debateable. But I don't think it equates to being "cooked".

A cooked Turris is very different from a cooked Stamkos, though.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

It’s been a very small handful of games into the season. Let’s give it some time. Guys get on cold streaks very often l, even when on a team they have been superstars on for years. Stammer is in a new environment for the first time in 16 years. Huge change. Give him a bit of time. Of course we all wanted results immediately but sometimes that’s not the case. Johansen scored his first game with us and turned out to be a waste of $8 million. Give the man some time before we write him off as a brutal contract. Let them all mesh.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Seen Stamkos?

 

[Seanaconda]

Always was.

I know but for the Mac fans if stamkos posts a garbage year. .maybe they will admit it

 

[Bender]

I know but for the Mac fans if stamkos posts a garbage year. .maybe they will admit it

Sure...whatever makes you happy.

Maybe you can start a petition that MacKinnon UNFAIRLY won the Hart trophy and it really TRULY belongs to '38 empty net goals' Kucherov for all those factors that you're going to come up with.

Here let me help you - there were also quite a few occastions where Jonas Johansson could have passed the puck to Kucherov at the beginnig of the season last year but decided to leave it for his d-man instead. IF he would have passed it directly to Kucherov it is WAY too obvious that he would have went around ALL of the opposing players in front of him and scored!! So yeah, Stamkos sucks and is proving it this year so that has a direct impact on last year's season so there is no other choice but to say : Kucherov > MacKinnon.

The world must be told the truth!!!!

 

[Osprey]

He's not the player that he was and is struggling to produce at the moment, but it seems premature to call him "cooked" only 7 games into a season immediately following one in which he put up 40 goals and 81 points. Players don't go from a PPG to cooked overnight.

I think that he's still in a bit of shock over what happened in the Summer and uncomfortable with his new surroundings. It doesn't help that the team is bad and disorganized on top of that. I think that it'll take months for him to get comfortable and I imagine that he'll end up having a better second half of the season. He may never get close to a PPG again or being worth his contract, but he should at least be capable of being a 20g/25a player, like Patrick Kane, which would still make him useful and not quite "cooked," IMO.

 

[Soundgarden]

Yeah, he's not the same player as he was in his prime but he's been unlucky as has most of the Preds. He could easily have 3 or more goals instead of just the one which isn't horrible 2nd line production.

 

[Blitzkrug]

He's not the player that he was and certainly looks like a shell of it at the moment, but it seems premature to call him "cooked" only 7 games into a season immediately following one in which he put up 40 goals and 81 points. Players don't go from a PPG to cooked overnight.

I think that he's still in shock over what happened in the Summer and uncomfortable with his new surroundings. It doesn't help that the team is so bad and disorganized on top of that. I think that it'll take months for him to get comfortable and I imagine that he'll end up having a better second half of the season. He may never get close to a PPG again or being worth his contract, but he should at least be capable of being a 20g/25a player, like Patrick Kane, which would still make him useful and not quite "cooked," IMO.

You do when you decide to leave a league leading power play that was pumping your numbers and were absolutely useless at 5v5 according to most metrics.

 

[Osprey]

You do when you decide to leave a league leading power play that was pumping your numbers and were absolutely useless at 5v5 according to most metrics.

Tampa's #1 powerplay last season has dropped to #16 this season, so it seems like Stamkos may've been pumping its numbers. Also, he had 21 goals and 21 assists at even strength last season. Even if he barely scores on the powerplay in Nashville, 20g/25a should be doable for him, as I said.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Tampa's #1 powerplay last season has dropped to #16 this season, so it seems like Stamkos was pumping its numbers. Also, he had 21 goals and 21 assists at even strength last season. Even if he barely scores on the powerplay in Nashville, 20g/25a should be doable for him, as I said.

We could have brought back Arvidsson for half the price and half the term to get about the same level of production (health a huge question mark obviously). It would have left us with enough cap space to probably trade for/or sign a 2C or another d-man, and Arvy would have actually fit the system Bruno and our PP plays.