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EK making a push. Has a Dman ever won the Norris in their first year with a new team?
 
The Winter Soldier said:
And Karlson played another mins crunching game. 27:34, where he was 29:15, and 30:54 in the previous 2 games. The more he plays the better EK is. It is a bonus to have a D man that can log mins and not only handle it, but whose play improves with more mins. With half a season to go, wouldn't surprise me if EK wins another Norris if he continues to hit his stride. Who are we kidding, he has hit it. 19 points in his last 11 games, eating up mins and Sharks winning.
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Why is it that when Rielly got off to his hot start all the non Leafs fans on here said it's to early to give Rielly the Norris Trophy, even though Leafs fans only said he should be considered the favorite. So is it not hypocritical saying that Karlsson should win it because he's currently on a hot streak?
 
NHLsnipers said:
At least they got Gio right. Were always going to see the Toronto bias, but Reilly should be a distant second IMO and only there because of his offensive numbers. Goaltending and offense in general is carrying the Leafs, not their amazing defense.
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The only reason someone like Erik Karlsson has won the Norris 2x was because of his offensive numbers. So once again I will ask isn't it hypocritical saying that's the only reason Rielly could win it, since Karlsson has won it for the same reason?
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Why is it that when Rielly got off to his hot start all the non Leafs fans on here said it's to early to give Rielly the Norris Trophy, even though Leafs fans only said he should be considered the favorite. So is it not hypocritical saying that Karlsson should win it because he's currently on a hot streak?
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I think it has more to do with the fact that Karlsson has won it twice already and he's finally figuring things out with his new team. A couple weeks ago he wasnt in the top 10 for defenseman scoring and now he's 4th.
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
The only reason someone like Erik Karlsson has won the Norris 2x was because of his offensive numbers. So once again I will ask isn't it hypocritical saying that's the only reason Rielly could win it, since Karlsson has won it for the same reason?
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You're not serious, are you?
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Why is it that when Rielly got off to his hot start all the non Leafs fans on here said it's to early to give Rielly the Norris Trophy, even though Leafs fans only said he should be considered the favorite. So is it not hypocritical saying that Karlsson should win it because he's currently on a hot streak?
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No, it's not, because before this season, if he was on any other team, nobody has heard of Morgan Reilly. Meanwhile, Erik Karlsson is already a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you.
 
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foggyvisor said:
You're not serious, are you?
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Yes I am. Whenever I hear about Karlsson winning the Norris 2x during his career I remember others saying a major reason was his offensive numbers during those seasons.

foggyvisor said:
No, it's not, because before this season, if he was on any other team, nobody has heard of Morgan Reilly. Meanwhile, Erik Karlsson is already a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you.
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So you are going to penalize Rielly for playing in Toronto and it's market size? Other people refer to Oliver Ekman-Larsson as a future Norris Trophy winner and he's playing in Arizona which we know is not a major NHL market. The same thing can be said about Victor Hedman. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the Norris last year, however he let his play do the talking and Tampa is still not in the same league as a major market compared to Toronto. Hell the numbers show that Rielly is on pace to have better numbers than Hedman did last season.
 
Rielly isn't even leading defensemen scoring anymore, so his primary argument for the Norris is gone at this point. Burns is outscoring him in raw numbers and PPG.
 
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OverTheLine said:
Rielly isn't even leading defensemen scoring anymore, so his primary argument for the Norris is gone at this point. Burns is outscoring him in raw numbers and PPG.
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Rielly is still leading all defensemen in total goals with 13 and is only 4 points behind Bruins with 45. So his argument is far from gone.

Also this reply is exactly what I was referring to before. When Rielly was leading all defensemen in scoring we were told it didn't matter about his chance to win the Norris. All of the sudden now that Brent Burns is leading them in scoring all of the sudden it matters.
 
OverTheLine said:
Rielly isn't even leading defensemen scoring anymore, so his primary argument for the Norris is gone at this point. Burns is outscoring him in raw numbers and PPG.
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And Karlsson went from 8th to 4th with 8 points in 3 games.
 
foggyvisor said:
No, it's not, because before this season, if he was on any other team, nobody has heard of Morgan Reilly. Meanwhile, Erik Karlsson is already a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you.
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Thanks. I didn't think an explanation was needed. Apparently this isn't the case, even when It is obvious to most.
 
The Winter Soldier said:
Thanks. I didn't think an explanation was needed. Apparently this isn't the case, even when It is obvious to most.
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In the end it's clearly obvious that you are only pumping the tires of Karlsson and Burns because of their recent hot streaks, along with your hatred of all things Maple Leafs because it's your agenda. The fact is when Rielly got off to his amazing start everyone who is not a Leafs fan tried to come up with every excuse why Rielly should not win the Norris. So just because he is no longer the points leader among defensemen is a reason to say he has no chance at winning it, however Burns chances went up because he's now leading defensemen in scoring? It's the same argument Leafs fans said about Rielly which we were told was not valid.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
In the end it's clearly obvious that you are only pumping the tires of Karlsson and Burns because of their recent hot streaks, along with your hatred of all things Maple Leafs because it's your agenda. The fact is when Rielly got off to his amazing start everyone who is not a Leafs fan tried to come up with every excuse why Rielly should not win the Norris. So just because he is no longer the points leader among defensemen is a reason to say he has no chance at winning it, however Burns chances went up because he's now leading defensemen in scoring? It's the same argument Leafs fans said about Rielly which we were told was not valid.
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The point is the thread was ...
Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers
Some were pumping the tires of Rielly because as the title said.... his gaudy offensive numbers.
Now that some other player has taken over that spot those same fans backing up Rielly should now be backing up Burns or does those gaudy offensive numbers not so important now.
 
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draft day said:
The point is the thread was ...
Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers
Some were pumping the tires of Rielly because as the title said.... his gaudy offensive numbers.
Now that some other player has taken over that spot those same fans backing up Rielly should now be backing up Burns or does those gaudy offensive numbers not so important now.
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Whatever your opinion is no one can deny that when Rielly was leading all defensemen in scoring and long before this thread was ever created, the non Leafs fans on here said that stat never mattered. So just because Burns now leads all defensemen in total points all of the sudden if you don't like the Leafs something like that now matters? I say that's the definition of hypocrisy.
 
The fact is, there's no clear cut winner right now. Down to a vote, Burns might win because he's got a stronger reputation, or Karlsson might win because of recency bias, but Reilly is obviously in the conversation.

My personal opinion is Reilly has contributed more to team success than either of Burns or EK65, and for that reason would be my choice.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Rielly is still leading all defensemen in total goals with 13 and is only 4 points behind Bruins with 45. So his argument is far from gone.

Also this reply is exactly what I was referring to before. When Rielly was leading all defensemen in scoring we were told it didn't matter about his chance to win the Norris. All of the sudden now that Brent Burns is leading them in scoring all of the sudden it matters.
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You’re reaching dude
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
Whatever your opinion is no one can deny that when Rielly was leading all defensemen in scoring and long before this thread was ever created, the non Leafs fans on here said that stat never mattered. So just because Burns now leads all defensemen in total points all of the sudden if you don't like the Leafs something like that now matters? I say that's the definition of hypocrisy.
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So your in agreement that Burns is now the front leader? If not than that is also the definition of hypocrisy.
 
joe dirte said:
So far this is the best performance we've seen from a dman since the days of Lidstrom at least. Maybe even further back.

Maybe the best performance by a Leaf dman, or any dman playing for an Ontario team, ever.

Let's hope he keeps it up, it's incredibly entertaining.
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Those were the days. I mean you still got the leaf defenseman thing going for ya but that's not saying much.
 
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