Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

[joe dirte]

You said he is being rested for the playoffs. He is already 45th in TOI/GP for D men. How much more rest does he need? Doesn't sound like a Norris winner when you are 45th in TOI/GP and you need to be rested does it?

That's top pairing minutes. Why on earth would they play him more than that?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

That's top pairing minutes. Why on earth would they play him more than that?

Stop dancing. You said Rielly is being rested for the playoffs, I noted factually he is only 45th in TOI/GP for D men. Answer the question how much more rest does he need?

 

[joe dirte]

Stop dancing. You said Rielly is being rested for the playoffs, I noted factually he is only 45th in TOI/GP for D men. Answer the question how much more rest does he need?

I'm not dancing. Your question makes no sense. Why wouldn't they play him 22 or 23 minutes a night, the whole season? Why not keep him reasonably fresh the whole year? From time to time, in a close game they're trying to win, it's nice to have your best dman ready to go. Then you can get him out there for 25 minutes. Like he did against Minnesota.....

I don't know how many minutes he got tonight, but I would hope Babcock was smart and kept it down around 20 minutes.

Someone mentioned the Leafs having among the least man games lost to injury this year. Well of course. They're a young team, that has their ice time spread WAY out.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm not dancing. Your question makes no sense. Why wouldn't they play him 22 or 23 minutes a night, the whole season? Why not keep him reasonably fresh the whole year? From time to time, in a close game they're trying to win, it's nice to have your best dman ready to go. Then you can get him out there for 25 minutes. Like he did against Minnesota.....

I don't know how many minutes he got tonight, but I would hope Babcock was smart and kept it down around 20 minutes.

Someone mentioned the Leafs having among the least man games lost to injury this year. Well of course. They're a young team, that has their ice time spread WAY out.

Well this is a Norris thread. Not sheltering a D man thread. The last 5 Norris winners all averaged over 25 to 27 TOI/GP. All winners were 1-12 in TOI/GP for D men the year they won. IE Keith, Doughty, Burns, Karlsson, and Hedman. So the point you made of resting Rielly when he is already just 45th in TOI/GP for D men, refutes the point he is the Norris winner when he does not match up in how much these past Norris winners were depended on by their team and coaches does it?

 

[joe dirte]

Well this is a Norris thread. Not sheltering a D man thread. The last 5 Norris winners all averaged over 25 to 27 TOI/GP. All winners were 1-12 in TOI/GP for D men the year they won. IE Keith, Doughty, Burns, Karlsson, and Hedman. So the point you made of resting Rielly when he is already just 45th in TOI/GP for D men, refutes the point he is the Norris winner when he does not match up in how much these past Norris winners were depended on by their team and coaches does it?

Amazing they had all that extra ice and extra pp time and rielly will still smash their output.

As far as I'm concerned that's even more impressive.

It makes me think. These dmen that have scored 80ish points in recent years and everyone is so amazed. Isbthat really that good if they needed 4 or 5 minutes of PP a night and 27 or 28 minutes a night? Obviously rielly is way better if he can do it averaging 22.

Also if note, rielly plays the most in tight games. He gets rested in blowouts. Imagine Babcock started playing him 25 minutes in blowouts????? He would have 60 points by now. Maybe more.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Amazing they had all that extra ice and extra pp time and rielly will still smash their output.

As far as I'm concerned that's even more impressive.

Keep dancing...

BTW Being a mins eater when you are a #1D man is a positive, being a D man that cannot handle the extra mins is a weakness.

 

[wetcoast]

Based on what is Rielly better defensively? Burns had a negative GA/60 rel. He was +19 and nobody else on his team was even +12.



They may not, but they’re not a strong defensive team, and having poor shot and goal suppression metrics, relative to guys like Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Travis Dermott, etc. isn’t a good look. Meanwhile, guys like Erik Karlsson and Drew Doughty were peaking in seasons where Jamie Benn won the Art Ross, and never got a Lindsay nomination.

His competition was a healthy Crosby and a healthy McDavid. Those were the only things that separated Burns from winning the Award. (And we haven’t even seen the ballots. It’s possible that he finished ahead of Crosby.)

Good post and it got me to think how good it is now for post season awards that the ballots become public.

It was long overdue in the NHL and I wish it had always been that way.

 

[Liminality]

People actually think Rielly is sheltered?

 

[Steeze]

He's been great all year for anyone who actually watches the games and doesn't just pop in whenever they see a chance to get in a dig, which isn't often considering they've yet to lose three in a row.

Also, they're still undefeated when leading after two periods and Rielly is a big part of that consistency, whether people like it or not.

 

[joe dirte]

Keep dancing...

Dancing? No dancing. You're somehow trying to use rielly getting used the most in tight games, and getting less ice in the easy games, against him. The leafs blow the opposition out a lot by the way....

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Dancing? No dancing. You're somehow trying to use rielly getting used the most in tight games, and getting less ice in the easy games, against him. The leafs blow the opposition out a lot by the way....

Once more.

Being a mins eater when you are a #1D man is a positive, being a D man that cannot handle the extra mins is a weakness.

 

[bionic]

Once more.

Being a mins eater when you are a #1D man is a positive, being a D man that cannot handle the extra mins is a weakness.

What is the advantage of having your best D man play the most min in a blow out game?

 

[The Apologist]

Once more.

Being a mins eater when you are a #1D man is a positive, being a D man that cannot handle the extra mins is a weakness.

Oh so now it's TOI that's gonna hold Rielly out of the discussion? Moved on have we?
I'm guessing you couldn't find any video to use tonight to prove how terrible he is?

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Imagine Rielly getting buried against Kucherov and holding him to 0 points and a -4.

Burns and Karlsson just did that. No Vlasic, no Braun. No elite #1 center. Just 60 minutes of the 2 best defensemen in the NHL.

 

[koyvoo]

Oh so now it's TOI that's gonna hold Rielly out of the discussion? Moved on have we?
I'm guessing you couldn't find any video to use tonight to prove how terrible he is?

Well it’s not unwarranted or outlandish really. The voters of the Norris have never once given the award to a defenseman who plays as low as Rielly’s 22 mins a night. That’s not to say that Rielly definitely won’t win it, it’s just that it’ll be an historical first in that sense.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Can we stick to the topic at hand, instead of just personal attacks at posters whose opinions we don’t agree with?

Brent Burns just took the scoring lead for defensemen. He’s now two points ahead of Morgan Rielly and is 4th in the NHL in assists, tied with Mitchell Marner. Rielly has two games in hand, but let’s be honest; he’s probably never going to get that lead back.

I reckon at this point, Rielly’s “gaudy offensive totals” are no longer gaudy enough for him to be ahead of a guy like Giordano, who has been consistently elite at both ends of the ice.

 

[Rubi]

If only Leaf fans opinions were the only opinions that mattered when it comes to Norris voting. Unfortunately for Leaf fans it doesn't work that way. Prepare to be disappointed.

 

[Alwalys]

Imagine Rielly getting buried against Kucherov and holding him to 0 points and a -4.

Burns and Karlsson just did that. No Vlasic, no Braun. No elite #1 center. Just 60 minutes of the 2 best defensemen in the NHL.

defenestration

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Burns leading d in points and karlsson has been the best d since his adjustment.

These two might both finish as Norris finalists lol.

 

[joe dirte]

Imagine Rielly getting buried against Kucherov and holding him to 0 points and a -4.

Burns and Karlsson just did that. No Vlasic, no Braun. No elite #1 center. Just 60 minutes of the 2 best defensemen in the NHL.

Lol

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Lol

You f***ing what mate? What do you mean "lol"? Burns has been lights out all season and Karlsson has basically been on fire this second half of the season.

 

[Jmo89]

If only Leaf fans opinions were the only opinions that mattered when it comes to Norris voting. Unfortunately for Leaf fans it doesn't work that way. Prepare to be disappointed.

The guy had the points lead among dmen for half a season before he finally lost it to a Norris winner in Burns. I guess fans should have just sat on their hands and shown no excitement over that.

I haven't made a single post in this thread (hardly do on the main board,) but I'm pretty happy if Rielly's performance keeps pace with a Norris winner and 2x Norris winner. No disappointment here.

He's likely going to put up the best season by Leafs dman in a long time and is pretty good on the other end of the ice. If Leafs fans are disappointed about that they're watching hockey for some pretty strange reasons.

 

[v00d00daddy]

To win the Norris he’s gonna have to play more or have a significant lead in points at the end of the year.

That being said, keep the Norris if the leafs keep playing like they are.

People think they’re bad defensively despite the fact that they’re 2nd overall while near the top of the leaguein ga/gp 6th. (tb is 16th)

Yes they allow a lot of shots against per game (9th most) Surrounded (literally) by teams like Pitt 7th, TB 8th, Wpg 10th and Caps 11th

It’s not just their offensive depth that has them where they are.

They’re good defensively. Much better than some people think. And he’s a big reason. By far their best dman.

Their D, including Anderson, along with their scoring makes it easy for me to accept Rielly missing out on the Norris.

 

[joe dirte]

You ****ing what mate? What do you mean "lol"? Burns has been lights out all season and Karlsson has basically been on fire this second half of the season.

You're just a stat watcher.

 

[Figgzfood]

That's top pairing minutes. Why on earth would they play him more than that?

Because he's good enough handle more minutes like the rest of the top D in the league? Just guessing, but you want your best players on the ice as much as possible.