Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

[joe dirte]

For the 15/16 season Karlsson had 60% more points than Doughty. So, it doesnt always go to the most productive. Also, lol to the Doughty voters. Pathetic Canadian homers.

Yeah but you're basically talking the best defensive dman in the league vs the worst.

 

[The Apologist]

I do criticize those types of players winning it. I have been very clear on this thread that Rielly is in the running for the Norris because of his point production. But when some of your fan base on this thread are saying he has been the best defenseman this season I just pointed out how wrong that is. In no way is Rielly they best defenseman in the league. Most of us can agree with that but some people are just homers.

Of course I think Letang is the better defenseman and I think I am right but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think more people would take Letang over Rielly if they could add either to the team Cap free as a rental for this season. I know I would take several defenseman in that situation over Rielly and some of them would be Hedman, Giordano, Jones, and Karlsson. Plus I think he will be passed in scoring by seasons end by a few defenseman which if that happens he won’t even be in the running.

I would still take Rielly over Letang personally. Throw in age and cap hit which are both real things that gms factor in and I'm not sure its really all that close.
Kris has been hot of late but we'll see what happens when he cools. Rielly has cooled a bit but the entire team seems to have short of Mitch and JT so we'll see if he picks it back up.
I personally think he's found that next gear this season and will probably be among the top 2-3 dmen this year in scoring for sure.

 

[Sky04]

Yeah but you're basically talking the best defensive dman in the league vs the worst.

That's the same with Rielly who sucks defensively so there's no difference.

 

[joe dirte]

That's the same with Rielly who sucks defensively so there's no difference.

Except he doesnt? Hes pretty average.

And doughty is probably not in the running thisbyear.

 

[Section88]

Give it to seabrook

 

[SnarkAttack]

Yeah but you're basically talking the best defensive dman in the league vs the worst.

Anyone who seriously watches, or even just stat checks, Karlsson without an agenda knows that's way off.

 

[Paper]

For the 15/16 season Karlsson had 60% more points than Doughty. So, it doesnt always go to the most productive. Also, lol to the Doughty voters. Pathetic Canadian homers.

It's really the Hart/playoff debate as opposed to Canadian homers. No player in the history of the Norris had won a Norris trophy while his team missed the playoffs. No player, until Doughty in 2015 and Karlsson in 2016 had even been the running-up in 60 years. Both arguably 'robbed' each other if not for the voter's "bias" against non-playoff teams.

In any case, incredibly stupid to call it Canadian homers when the year before Karlsson won despite Doughty being the better player. Pretty much same voters...

 

[joe dirte]

Just a flawless game by Rielly tonight. It really isn't hard to see why he was picked as the Norris front runner.

 

[LeafFever]

Just a flawless game by Rielly tonight. It really isn't hard to see why he was picked as the Norris front runner.

He was fantastic.

 

[LeafFever]

So Brent Burns wins the Norris and people are making a stink out of Reilly being called a contender?

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Except he doesnt? Hes pretty average.

And doughty is probably not in the running thisbyear.

Rielly has very poor shot suppression metrics. Even his goal suppression metrics are poor despite a very strong oiSV%.

So Brent Burns wins the Norris and people are making a stink out of Reilly being called a contender?

Brent Burns was a finalist for the Ted Lindsay Award, which players vote on. I don’t think a single player will even mark Rielly as 5th on their ballot. There’s the big difference.

 

[LeafFever]

Rielly has very poor shot suppression metrics. Even his goal suppression metrics are poor despite a very strong oiSV%.



Brent Burns was a finalist for the Ted Lindsay Award, which players vote on. I don’t think a single player will even mark Rielly as 5th on their ballot. There’s the big difference.

What?

 

[Drytoast]

That's the same with Rielly who sucks defensively so there's no difference.

No he really doesn't.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Just a flawless game by Rielly tonight. It really isn't hard to see why he was picked as the Norris front runner.

He wasn't even the Leafs best defenceman tonight. Played the 4th most mins of the D against a tired team without Pettersson. Let's see how he does against Nashvile and Boston next week.

If you are going to try to pump up a player, at least try to do so when the agenda is not so easy to spot for people that actually watch the games.

 

[joe dirte]

He wasn't even the Leafs best defenceman tonight. Played the 4th most mins of the D tonight. Let's see how he does against Nashvile and Boston next week.

Babcock is just resting him up. Wants the Norris winner to be fresh for the playoffs.

Having a dman put up the best performance of any Dman playing for an Ontario team, in the last 50 or so years, and having that go to waste because he's burnt out for the playoffs would be a waste.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

What?

NHLPA ANNOUNCES FINALISTS FOR 2016-17 TED LINDSAY AWARD

People act like it’s a farce that the voters picked Burns for the Norris, but his fellow players literally said he was the most valuable defenseman. For the first time since Chris Pronger in 1999-2000, a defenseman was a finalist for that award that PLAYERS vote for. And people act like it was some sort of grand larceny, and injustice that irrelevant hockey writers happened to agree with the players that play the game.

Get this through your head: Morgan Rielly will NEVER EVER be at the level that Brent Burns was in that season. When he dreams, he dreams about being an even better player than he is today, but he does not even DREAM of being a better player than Brent Burns was in the 2016-2017 season.

 

[LeafFever]

NHLPA ANNOUNCES FINALISTS FOR 2016-17 TED LINDSAY AWARD

People act like it’s a farce that the voters picked Burns for the Norris, but his fellow players literally said he was the most valuable defenseman. For the first time since Chris Pronger in 1999-2000, a defenseman was a finalist for that award that PLAYERS vote for. And people act like it was some sort of grand larceny, and injustice that irrelevant hockey writers happened to agree with the players that play the game.

Get this through your head: Morgan Rielly will NEVER EVER be at the level that Brent Burns was in that season. When he dreams, he dreams about being an even better player than he is today, but he does not even DREAM of being a better player than Brent Burns was in the 2016-2017 season.

But the voters are different for the Norris, so who cares? Where's the connection? It doesn't change the fact Rielly is better defensively.

 

[wetcoast]

Rielly has very poor shot suppression metrics. Even his goal suppression metrics are poor despite a very strong oiSV%.

Agree with this but the Leafs are a very strong team and will most voters even look at those stats?

Brent Burns was a finalist for the Ted Lindsay Award, which players vote on. I don’t think a single player will even mark Rielly as 5th on their ballot. There’s the big difference.

I think it says more about the competition (and Burns was excellent that year) than it does about the 2 players.

 

[Paradoc]

He wasn't even the Leafs best defenceman tonight. Played the 4th most mins of the D against a tired team without Pettersson. Let's see how he does against Nashvile and Boston next week.

If you are going to try to pump up a player, at least try to do so when the agenda is not so easy to spot for people that actually watch the games.

Maybe you should watch the game more. He jump-started the Leafs offense from the 1st period and from then on the game was pretty much over. Not sure why minutes played would matter in a blowout game. It would be pretty inefficient to have Rielly play 25+ minutes in a 5-0 game, no?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Babcock is just resting him up. Wants the Norris winner to be fresh for the playoffs.

Rielly is 45th in the NHL in TOI/GP for D men. How much more rest do you suggest?

 

[joe dirte]

Rielly is 45th in the NHL in TOI/GP for D men. How much more rest do you suggest?

45th? so top pairing ice, but the Leafs can win without wearing him down with top 10 or 15 minutes? Perfect.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

But the voters are different for the Norris, so who cares? Where's the connection? It doesn't change the fact Rielly is better defensively.

Based on what is Rielly better defensively? Burns had a negative GA/60 rel. He was +19 and nobody else on his team was even +12.

Agree with this but the Leafs are a very strong team and will most voters even look at those stats?





I think it says more about the competition (and Burns was excellent that year) than it does about the 2 players.

They may not, but they’re not a strong defensive team, and having poor shot and goal suppression metrics, relative to guys like Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Travis Dermott, etc. isn’t a good look. Meanwhile, guys like Erik Karlsson and Drew Doughty were peaking in seasons where Jamie Benn won the Art Ross, and never got a Lindsay nomination.

His competition was a healthy Crosby and a healthy McDavid. Those were the only things that separated Burns from winning the Award. (And we haven’t even seen the ballots. It’s possible that he finished ahead of Crosby.)

 

[The Winter Soldier]

45th? so top pairing ice, but the Leafs can win without wearing him down with top 10 or 15 minutes? Perfect.

You said he is being rested for the playoffs. He is already 45th in TOI/GP for D men. How much more rest does he need? Doesn't sound like a Norris winner when you are 45th in TOI/GP and you need to be rested does it?

 

[bionic]

He wasn't even the Leafs best defenceman tonight. Played the 4th most mins of the D against a tired team without Pettersson. Let's see how he does against Nashvile and Boston next week.

If you are going to try to pump up a player, at least try to do so when the agenda is not so easy to spot for people that actually watch the games.

I love how you're trying to give Vancouver an excuse for the lose neglecting the fact that they couldn't score against the leafs 3rd goalie.
You are right tho about not just picking out one game to prove Rielly is a contender for the Norris....it's a good thing this season is filled of great games by him.

 

[NiL8r87]

You said he is being rested for the playoffs. He is already 45th in TOI/GP for D men. How much more rest does he need? Doesn't sound like a Norris winner when you are 45th in TOI/GP and you need to be rested does it?

Hainsey probably needs the rest more than he does. If the Leafs weren't so strong on the left side and more willing to play Gardiner/Dermott on the right side you would probably see more of him.