Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

[supsens]

Because he's good enough handle more minutes like the rest of the top D in the league? Just guessing, but you want your best players on the ice as much as possible.

Morgan when your this good they don't need you Rielly

 

[v00d00daddy]

Just guessing, but you want your best players on the ice as much as possible.

Interesting guess.

TBs most played guy is Hedman at a whopping 11 seconds more per game (44th overall in the league. Reilly at 48th)

Maybe having your best player on as much as possible isn’t directly related to team success.

On a lot? Yes
On as much as possible? Not necessarily

Right Hitch? Lol

 

[Barrie22]

Interesting guess.

TBs most played guy is Hedman at a whopping 11 seconds more per game (44th overall in the league. Reilly at 48th)

Maybe having your best player on as much as possible isn’t directly related to team success.

On a lot? Yes
On as much as possible? Not necessarily

Right Hitch? Lol

Funny thing is hedman isn't going to be in the running for the norris this year either. But last year when he did win it he was over 25 a game and 5th in the league.

 

[supsens]

Interesting guess.

TBs most played guy is Hedman at a whopping 11 seconds more per game (44th overall in the league. Reilly at 48th)

Maybe having your best player on as much as possible isn’t directly related to team success.

On a lot? Yes
On as much as possible? Not necessarily

Right Hitch? Lol

Or they have another guy that is also a number 1 dman.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Interesting guess.

TBs most played guy is Hedman at a whopping 11 seconds more per game (44th overall in the league. Reilly at 48th)

Maybe having your best player on as much as possible isn’t directly related to team success.

On a lot? Yes
On as much as possible? Not necessarily

Right Hitch? Lol

It is, but Tampa is smart. They will dominate regular season even without playing Hedman 28 minutes per game. They are saving him for the playoffs.

If Hedman had played in Buffalo, him being on the ice 30 minutes/game instead of 22, would be the difference between making the playoffs or not.

 

[joe dirte]

Because he's good enough handle more minutes like the rest of the top D in the league? Just guessing, but you want your best players on the ice as much as possible.

And they do give him big minutes.

Every single time there is a close game.

Seriously. Go take a look. Look at his ice time when there is a 1 goal game (or 1 goal + EN goal). He averaged 25 to 27 minutes.

When the leafs are up by 3 or more? 19 to 22.

Youre right he can handle more but it seems to me like the coach isnt coaching to maxikize his ice time or stats.

 

[v00d00daddy]

Or they have another guy that is also a number 1 dman.

Yup. Maybe they do. Either way...they don’t rely on any particular player as much as some people think teams should.

Funny thing is hedman isn't going to be in the running for the norris this year either. But last year when he did win it he was over 25 a game and 5th in the league.

Yet TB is better this year. They don’t need to rely on their past Norris as much.

 

[joe dirte]

Interesting guess.

TBs most played guy is Hedman at a whopping 11 seconds more per game (44th overall in the league. Reilly at 48th)

Maybe having your best player on as much as possible isn’t directly related to team success.

On a lot? Yes
On as much as possible? Not necessarily

Right Hitch? Lol

Exactly. It took a real moron to realize playing your your top players that much was going to cause issues.

 

[v00d00daddy]

It is, but Tampa is smart. They will dominate regular season even without playing Hedman 28 minutes per game. They are saving him for the playoffs.

If Hedman had played in Buffalo, him being on the ice 30 minutes/game instead of 22, would be the difference between making the playoffs or not.

Sweet. That suggests that Rielly may have more to give come playoff time.

I’ll take that

 

[joe dirte]

Funny thing is hedman isn't going to be in the running for the norris this year either. But last year when he did win it he was over 25 a game and 5th in the league.

Its almost like tampas goal isnt to win hedman a notris trophy.....

Now, imagine the leafs jacked up riellys ice time and gave him 5 mins PP a night.... what do yiu think the result would be?

 

[joe dirte]

It is, but Tampa is smart. They will dominate regular season even without playing Hedman 28 minutes per game. They are saving him for the playoffs.

If Hedman had played in Buffalo, him being on the ice 30 minutes/game instead of 22, would be the difference between making the playoffs or not.

Isnt that smart????

And why would the leafs, second place in the league, jack up riellys ice in blowout games like 5-0 against a bottom dweller like vancouver?

Seems like the top teams dont really want to run their elite players into the ground in the regular season...

 

[joe dirte]

Morgan when your this good they don't need you Rielly

More like Toronto when youre this good you play your 4th line and rest your top players in the 3rd period Maple Leafs.

 

[supsens]

More like Toronto when youre this good you play your 4th line and rest your top players in the 3rd period Maple Leafs.

He's a good player I'm just messing around cause I hate the leafs.

 

[CCM19]

Karlsson on his way

 

[Yackiberg8]

You ****ing what mate? What do you mean "lol"? Burns has been lights out all season and Karlsson has basically been on fire this second half of the season.

Karlsson on fire the second half of the season.... Great sample size they are 1 game into the second half.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Funny thing is hedman isn't going to be in the running for the norris this year either. But last year when he did win it he was over 25 a game and 5th in the league.

Hmm I wonder if that’s why his point totals have dropped. Crazy that Rielly can lead dmen in points the first half of the season while playing the 45th most minute in the league because that’s what works for his team. Awfully impressive.

 

[The Apologist]

Can we stick to the topic at hand, instead of just personal attacks at posters whose opinions we don’t agree with?

Brent Burns just took the scoring lead for defensemen. He’s now two points ahead of Morgan Rielly and is 4th in the NHL in assists, tied with Mitchell Marner. Rielly has two games in hand, but let’s be honest; he’s probably never going to get that lead back.

I reckon at this point, Rielly’s “gaudy offensive totals” are no longer gaudy enough for him to be ahead of a guy like Giordano, who has been consistently elite at both ends of the ice.

Why exactly is he never going to get that lead back? The Leafs offence (minus Mitch and Tavares) is struggling right now. Why are we to believe that Rielly cannot make up a two point difference?

 

[bionic]

And they do give him big minutes.

Every single time there is a close game.

Seriously. Go take a look. Look at his ice time when there is a 1 goal game (or 1 goal + EN goal). He averaged 25 to 27 minutes.

When the leafs are up by 3 or more? 19 to 22.

Youre right he can handle more but it seems to me like the coach isnt coaching to maxikize his ice time or stats.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I asked TWS before what does it benefit the Leafs to over play Rielly in blowout games. I received no answer from him because there is no answer.
The smart move is to play him less in blowouts.

 

[Mike Lowry]

Last night in Montreal, with a 3-1 lead and ~3:00 to play, with the Habs net empty, PK Subban didn't see the ice until the Preds scored to make it 4-1 and sealed the game.

Please tell why yet again, in an important moment of the game, Subban doesn't play.

 

[LeafFever]

Last night in Montreal, with a 3-1 lead and ~3:00 to play, with the Habs net empty, PK Subban didn't see the ice until the Preds scored to make it 4-1 and sealed the game.

Please tell why yet again, in an important moment of the game, Subban doesn't play.

Preds are very deep on D.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Oh so now it's TOI that's gonna hold Rielly out of the discussion? Moved on have we?
I'm guessing you couldn't find any video to use tonight to prove how terrible he is?

Rielly is 45th in TOI/GP after 41 games for D men. The last 5 Norris winners averaged 25-27 TOI/GP and all were either 1st-12th for D men in the NHL for usage. Having a D man that can eat mins is certainly a strength is it not? As for videos just for you, I will keep posting the videos as we go in this thread since the Bruins and Nashville are up next week. You have convinced me of this with your constant whining in this thread that video evidence dispels the notion that Rielly's defensive play is Norris trophy worthy.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Rielly is 45th in TOI/GP after 41 games for D men. The last 5 Norris winners averaged 25-27 TOI/GP and all were either 1st-12th for D men in the NHL for usage. Having a D man that can eat mins is certainly a strength is it not? As for videos just for you, I will keep posting the videos as we go in this thread since the Bruins and Nashville are up next week. You have convinced me of this with your constant whining in this thread that video evidence dispels the notion that Rielly's defensive play is Norris trophy worthy.

No defenceman has produced the way Rielly has while only playing 22 minutes a night in any of the times you keep referring to.

The Leafs D system (and forward system) is made to keep guys healthy and fresh for the entire year and it is working extremely well. They don’t need to play their best dman 25+ minutes a night to be a successful hockey team and this is why they don’t do it.

 

[LeafFever]

No defenceman has produced the way Rielly has while only playing 22 minutes a night in any of the times you keep referring to.

The Leafs D system (and forward system) is made to keep guys healthy and fresh for the entire year and it is working extremely well. They don’t need to play their best dman 25+ minutes a night to be a successful hockey team and this is why they don’t do it.

And for proof of this, check out Matthews TOI.
Babcock plays his players less than virtually any coach.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

No defenceman has produced the way Rielly has while only playing 22 minutes a night in any of the times you keep referring to.

The Leafs D system (and forward system) is made to keep guys healthy and fresh for the entire year and it is working extremely well. They don’t need to play their best dman 25+ minutes a night to be a successful hockey team and this is why they don’t do it.

Maybe this is the year the Norris voters factor this in. Maybe they factor in the offensive talent he plays with. Maybe they look at P/60. I don't know. Burns is leading the NHL D men in points, Letang is 4th in TOI/PG, maybe the voters factor these points in also.

What I am factually pointing out is looking at the past Norris winners the past 5 seasons the voting has gone to a D man that was proven to be able to eat up 25+ to 27+ TOI/GP. This is not up for debate, and going back the last 6 full seasons when Karlsson won it with 27+ TOI/GP. It has been a very reliable predictor in determining the Norris trophy, where a D man has won with 1st to 12th TOI/GP.

 

[Capt Canada]

Rielly is 45th in TOI/GP after 41 games for D men. The last 5 Norris winners averaged 25-27 TOI/GP and all were either 1st-12th for D men in the NHL for usage. Having a D man that can eat mins is certainly a strength is it not? As for videos just for you, I will keep posting the videos as we go in this thread since the Bruins and Nashville are up next week. You have convinced me of this with your constant whining in this thread that video evidence dispels the notion that Rielly's defensive play is Norris trophy worthy.

Bucky, no matter what you say, Rielly is a true Norris contender, and the Leafs are an amazing team. I know its hard for you to comprehend, considering you were brain washed by Russians, and even had your metal arm blown away by Iron Man, but none the less...

Go Canada! Lets bring the Cup where it belongs!!!