Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

[CrosbyMalkin]

You're clearly not understanding. Several of us have said we would trade rielly for hedman.

But there really is no question, rielly has been better THIS YEAR.

I don’t even think the majority of your own fan base believes Rielly is the best defenseman even when talking just this year. Sorry you are just plain delusional to believe Rielly has been the best defenseman this season. At the moment Rielly might be tied for the most points but that does not make him the best defenseman this year. I would take many of the defenseman with less points before him for overall play. Letang, Giordano, Hedman, and Jones for sure and then the next tier of Karlsson, Burns, Sutter, and even someone like Carlson are better players even this season. Rielly has already started cooling off his point pace and frankly isn’t as good of overall defenseman then most of the players I listed.

I know for sure that if GM’s could add any defenseman for free with no cap hit for just the rest of this season Rielly would not be in many GM’s top 5. I think most lists would include Hedman, Letang, Giordano, Jones, and Karlsson. Players like Burns, Sutter and Carlson would most likely be on more lists also.

The Norris voting is like the Hart, far from perfect. Many times it is a popularity contest of who is the flashiest hi scoring player. In no way has Rielly been the best defenseman in the league even during the first half of this season. Most points yes but best defenseman that is just laughable.

 

[LeafFever]

I don’t even think the majority of your own fan base believes Rielly is the best defenseman even when talking just this year. Sorry you are just plain delusional to believe Rielly has been the best defenseman this season. At the moment Rielly might be tied for the most points but that does not make him the best defenseman this year. I would take many of the defenseman with less points before him for overall play. Letang, Giordano, Hedman, and Jones for sure and then the next tier of Karlsson, Burns, Sutter, and even someone like Carlson are better players even this season. Rielly has already started cooling off his point pace and frankly isn’t as good of overall defenseman then most of the players I listed.

I know for sure that if GM’s could add any defenseman for free with no cap hit for just the rest of this season Rielly would not be in many GM’s top 5. I think most lists would include Hedman, Letang, Giordano, Jones, and Karlsson. Players like Burns, Sutter and Carlson would most likely be on more lists also.

The Norris voting is like the Hart, far from perfect. Many times it is a popularity contest of who is the flashiest hi scoring player. In no way has Rielly been the best defenseman in the league even during the first half of this season. Most points yes but best defenseman that is just laughable.

No he is not. The stats and facts back-up Rielly being a major contender.
It is Non-Leaf fans who have been wrong about Rielly all along.

 

[Rubi]

Lmfao maybe it’s because Hainsey isn’t Brodie or Hamilton... did u really make that comparison LMFAO

Or maybe Rielly isn't as good as nyou think he is. If Rielly didn't have a ton of points he wouldn't even be in the running. He would be Just another naverage d-man

 

[Rubi]

Maybe check out the +/- stats in the NHL and see who’s at #4 and #6. Seems like Rielly is elevating Hainsey quite well despite Hainsey being old and likely a bottom pairing dman but due to the coaching system this is how Babcock likes to run his pairings.

Seems to be working out for the Leafs so far.

Or maybe it's the other way around and Babcock isn't as stupid as you think he is.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

No he is not. The stats and facts back-up Rielly being a major contender.
It is Non-Leaf fans who have been wrong about Rielly all along.

Never said he wasn’t a major contender for the Norris. That is completely different from saying he is the best defenseman this year. Like I said if you put a poll up on your own Leafs board I don’t even think you own fan base truely believes Rielly is the best defenseman in the NHL this season. Even if Rielly finishes with the most points that has nothing to do with him being the best overall defenseman. He isn’t even one of the top 5 best defenseman and I could make arguments for not even top 10. He is still young and could eventually be the best some day but I can’t picture too many people saying yes give me Rielly if they had the choice to add a defenseman for just this seasons Cup run. Not even your own fans and certainly not any GM’s. I don’t think any GM would say Rielly is the best defenseman in the league this year and that would include your own.

 

[LeafFever]

Or maybe Rielly isn't as good as nyou think he is. If Rielly didn't have a ton of points he wouldn't even be in the running. He would be Just another naverage d-man

So Giordano would make a 37 year-old much better because he helped 24 year-old Hamilton. Gotcha.
Hainsey does have a great +/- FYI. Better than Brodie in fact.

 

[LeafFever]

Never said he wasn’t a major contender for the Norris. That is completely different from saying he is the best defenseman this year. Like I said if you put a poll up on your own Leafs board I don’t even think you own fan base truely believes Rielly is the best defenseman in the NHL this season. Even if Rielly finishes with the most points that has nothing to do with him being the best overall defenseman. He isn’t even one of the top 5 best defenseman and I could make arguments for not even top 10. He is still young and could eventually be the best some day but I can’t picture too many people saying yes give me Rielly if they had the choice to add a defenseman for just this seasons Cup run. Not even your own fans and certainly not any GM’s. I don’t think any GM would say Rielly is the best defenseman in the league this year and that would include your own.

We heard Trouba and Paryko were so much better than Rielly, I have posts saying Calvin DeHaan is better than Rielly from just this summer.

This idea people are going to pull the "You are overrating Rielly" now is hilarious. No, no. YOU underrate him. Badly!

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If I do, promise youll do us all a favor and stop posting nonsense for oh, lets say the rest of 2019? AT the least?

This is the mainboard where people are free to opine, you certainly are welcome not to read or reply to my posts in the future. Notice it wasn't me that replied to you.

Doesn't change the fact Rielly is not dependable defensively to be considered Norris worthy. Again the 2 videos I posted just happened recently. Both resulted in a Leafs lost. IE the Parise and Barkov goals. Now if you want to go back further, this bad read/pinch by Rielly again cost Team Canada a bronze. It just happens too often for me to award an award such as the Norris for him. As the games get tougher, and without Andersen at the moment to cover up his mistakes. This would be a more glaring fact. He's having a good offensive year, I give him credit for this. But reading a stats sheet is just a fraction of discussing what a player is. And not a true picture.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Or maybe it's the other way around and Babcock isn't as stupid as you think he is.

Certainly never said I thought Babcock was stupid. Their pairing is clearly working, I think Rielly is the main reason why.

You are saying Hainsey is carrying that pairing and is the better player?

 

[Rubi]

Certainly never said I thought Babcock was stupid. Their pairing is clearly working, I think Rielly is the main reason why.

You are saying Hainsey is carrying that pairing and is the better player?

No. What I'm saying is that it could be that Hainsey is helping Rielly out defensively instead of the other way around and without Hainsey its possible that Rielly wouldn't even be in the Norris conversation.

Strange how the supporters for Rielly being the leading Norris candidate are mostly all Leaf fans while mostly all the other teams fan bases think someone else is.

 

[Iapyi]

I don’t even think the majority of your own fan base believes Rielly is the best defenseman even when talking just this year. Sorry you are just plain delusional to believe Rielly has been the best defenseman this season. At the moment Rielly might be tied for the most points but that does not make him the best defenseman this year. I would take many of the defenseman with less points before him for overall play. Letang, Giordano, Hedman, and Jones for sure and then the next tier of Karlsson, Burns, Sutter, and even someone like Carlson are better players even this season. Rielly has already started cooling off his point pace and frankly isn’t as good of overall defenseman then most of the players I listed.

I know for sure that if GM’s could add any defenseman for free with no cap hit for just the rest of this season Rielly would not be in many GM’s top 5. I think most lists would include Hedman, Letang, Giordano, Jones, and Karlsson. Players like Burns, Sutter and Carlson would most likely be on more lists also.

The Norris voting is like the Hart, far from perfect. Many times it is a popularity contest of who is the flashiest hi scoring player. In no way has Rielly been the best defenseman in the league even during the first half of this season. Most points yes but best defenseman that is just laughable.

Do pray tell let everyone know how you know this "FOR SURE". We'll be waiting.

 

[Yackiberg8]

No. What I'm saying is that it could be that Hainsey is helping Rielly out defensively instead of the other way around and without Hainsey its possible that Rielly wouldn't even be in the Norris conversation.

Strange how the supporters for Rielly being the leading Norris candidate are mostly all Leaf fans while mostly all the other teams fan bases think someone else is.

All D partners support each other defensively. It’s not as though Hainsey plays all the D while Rielly is up playing with the forwards.

Why isn’t Hainsey being discussed as a Norris contender if he is the one carrying this pairing?

 

[Rubi]

All D partners support each other defensively. It’s not as though Hainsey plays all the D while Rielly is up playing with the forwards.

Why isn’t Hainsey being discussed as a Norris contender if he is the one carrying this pairing?

Who said Hainsey is carrying the pairing? You're twisting my words. What I said was that its possible that Hainsey is helping Rielly out with the defensive part of his game instead of being the dead weight anchor that so many Leaf fans would like us to believe when Reilly is being discussed with regards to the Norris trophy.

 

[PensandCaps]

Hainsey sucks.


To even suggest that he is helping Rielly is hilarious.

 

[FerrisRox]

The funny thing is, Rielly makes an error and everyone sees it and post videos. OEL makes an error, no one sees it and the geniuses on HF declare him underrated and a top 5 NHL D without any statistics or accomplishments to back it up.

Why does no one see OEL's errors?

There are plenty of fans - and plenty of posters here - who watch games from all kinds of teams, and many fans, in particular, that watch Eastern time zone games and then watch a Western time zone game after.

Just because you don't watch Phoenix doesn't mean other people don't.

 

[Leafsrock95]

Or maybe Rielly isn't as good as nyou think he is. If Rielly didn't have a ton of points he wouldn't even be in the running. He would be Just another naverage d-man

Lmao But he’s not and he isn’t so you have no point. First a terrible comparison then this how sad are you guys.

 

[FerrisRox]

I’m just ****ing around but there were tons of threads on him being top 20 so I’d say that fits your criteria

Remember when people would say Phaneuf wasn't a #1 defenseman and Leaf fans would vehemently object and they would always tell you about his "quality of competition" as if that somehow made him a quality #1 defender.

Good times.

 

[Luminiferous]

Or maybe Rielly isn't as good as nyou think he is. If Rielly didn't have a ton of points he wouldn't even be in the running. He would be Just another naverage d-man

He has a ton of points. Try to remain in reality.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

 

[The Apologist]

Small sample size right folks?

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

We heard Trouba and Paryko were so much better than Rielly, I have posts saying Calvin DeHaan is better than Rielly from just this summer.

This idea people are going to pull the "You are overrating Rielly" now is hilarious. No, no. YOU underrate him. Badly!

Ha ha, you quote me but then go on a rant about something totally different. What does some people this summer underrating Rielly have anything to do with what I said? I gave good reasons why I don’t think he is one of the 5 best overall defenseman in the NHL. Just because some people underrated him in the past does not make him the best defenseman now. Sorry far from it. That does not mean I think he is not a good defenseman just not top 5 and I would say some place in the next group of 5 defenseman.

In no order of preference 1-5 all list them and you can argue the 6-10 but not close to first 5.

Hedman
Letang
Giordano
Jones
Karlsson

Suter
Burns
Carlson
Rielly
Many players can pick here, having a hard time making that 10th choice.

So Rielly has been a great defenseman but he is not top 5 in the league overall. I don’t even think he will have the most points by season end and the rest of his game is not as good as several of the defenseman listed.

 

[The Apologist]

This is the mainboard where people are free to opine, you certainly are welcome not to read or reply to my posts in the future. Notice it wasn't me that replied to you.

Doesn't change the fact Rielly is not dependable defensively to be considered Norris worthy. Again the 2 videos I posted just happened recently. Both resulted in a Leafs lost. IE the Parise and Barkov goals. Now if you want to go back further, this bad read/pinch by Rielly again cost Team Canada a bronze. It just happens too often for me to award an award such as the Norris for him. As the games get tougher, and without Andersen at the moment to cover up his mistakes. This would be a more glaring fact. He's having a good offensive year, I give him credit for this. But reading a stats sheet is just a fraction of discussing what a player is. And not a true picture.

It is the main board which means I'm also free to call out nonsense when I read it. In the not so wise words of someone on hfboards feel free to to read or reply to it.

None of what you posted above is unique to Morgan Rielly and he certainly wouldn't be the first (or last) defenseman who wasn't considered 'solid defensively' to win the Norris.

You can pretend he's not in the conversation all you want, wouldn't even be the first time today you were completely wrong.

Shoe in? Nope. In the running? Absolutely without question.

 

[NyQuil]

The top defensive scorer is always going to be a candidate and likely a top 3 vote recipient.

That’s just the way it is, and justifiably so IMO.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Small sample size right folks?

Yeah, that was the point of the post? "Here's some stats during a good streak." They happen to be indicative of the season as a whole, but yeah, that's the point...

 

[The Winter Soldier]

It is the main board which means I'm also free to call out nonsense when I read it. In the not so wise words of someone on hfboards feel free to to read or reply to it.

None of what you posted above is unique to Morgan Rielly and he certainly wouldn't be the first (or last) defenseman who wasn't considered 'solid defensively' to win the Norris.

You can pretend he's not in the conversation all you want, wouldn't even be the first time today you were completely wrong.

Shoe in? Nope. In the running? Absolutely without question.

Calling out which you still have no reasonable rubuttal for regarding Rielly's defensive weaknesses and telling people not to post on the Mainboard are 2 entirely different things. If you cannot handle opinion/facts/videos recent ot otherwise that back up the point that Rielly is not the best defensive player as some seem to think it does not matter here. Then perhaps you are on the wrong discussion board. But again it was a timely and worthwhile point to illustrate the Barkov and Parise goals is a pattern of Rielly's continually Achilles heel in his game as it was when he misread the Nichsuhkin goal in the bronze medal game. For the record incase you missed it, I did credit him for having a good offensive year through almost 40 games. But reading a stats sheet does not mean he is a Norris worthy player.