Non-Sharks NorCal Sports Thread XXVI

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rangerssharks414

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I thought pitchers only get awarded a save if they enter the game leading by 4 or less.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_(baseball)#Usage

Nope. If the pitcher pitches the final 3+ innings while entering the game with the lead, they could get a save.

Example: Pitcher A leaves the game with a 9-0 lead after the 6th. Pitcher B pitches the final three innings. Even if he gives up 8 runs and it's a 9-8 final, he still gets a save.

Edit: It actually happened last week.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN201609171.shtml
 

Quid Pro Clowe

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I think it's largely manufactured. The whole close mystique is entirely engineered and a relatively recent invention in baseball history. And historically speaking through the entire history of the game, he rate at which teams convert what would be a save situation entering the 9th into a win has never changed. Before the use of pitchers in non-injury/performance relief roles, beforeally the invention of bullpen specialists, before the invention of the save as a statistic, before the invention of the close as a singular job or he rigidly structured 7-8 man pen, and since any and all of those things, if you enter the 9th with a 1-3 run lead you're bounder to win those games about 95% of the time no matter the date of the game. If the last 3 outs were any harder to get than any other outs for any objective,rational, and non engineered psychological reason, then the rate shouldve changed at some point.

But it hasn't.

I wish I could still find a post I made about this where I linked the study and article that info came from. Several years ago I made a post in a Blue Jays thread about why saves are stupid and the close is overrated and cited that material. But I think it's since been lost to the great thread purge that nuked anything older than roughly 3 years.

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I don't have that post, but I have some links that I believe point to the same evidence (the original ESPN piece that had some extra work tied to it seems to have been nuked in one of ESPN's reorganizations of their site.

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/04/30/the-timeless-game-and-maybe-the-myth-of-closers/

http://tangotiger.com/index.php/sit...leading-into-the-ninth-means-winning-the-game

http://www.retrosheet.org/Research/SmithD/ScoringPattern.pdf
Great stuff. Thanks.
 

Bizz

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Nope. If the pitcher pitches the final 3+ innings while entering the game with the lead, they could get a save.

Example: Pitcher A leaves the game with a 9-0 lead after the 6th. Pitcher B pitches the final three innings. Even if he gives up 8 runs and it's a 9-8 final, he still gets a save.

Edit: It actually happened last week.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN201609171.shtml

3 inning saves are pretty rare, but yeah it's stupid, that's a rule that needs changing.
 

Limekiller

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Defense getting pushed around and the playcalling on offense is gutless.

Oh, the 49ers are losing in terrible fashion after a game 1 win gave the Baalke fanboys false hope? I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED that this is occurring. Especially since nothing like this has EVER happened with the 49ers before... (*cough* last year *cough*) :sarcasm:
 

Quid Pro Clowe

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Oh, the 49ers are losing in terrible fashion after a game 1 win gave the Baalke fanboys false hope? I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED that this is occurring. Especially since nothing like this has EVER happened with the 49ers before... (*cough* last year *cough*) :sarcasm:
Who is a Baalke fanboy?
 

hohosaregood

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Nobody is going to believe me, but I just sold Irbe 5 gallons of deck stain at work...

My main beef with this is that I have heard very little about him living or even being in California anymore. So I'm gonna call you a liar liar pants on fire.
 

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Hey all, Leafs fan coming in peace. I'll be in San Francisco during December 2016 and wanted to attend the Warriors vs Raptors game. Tickets are starting at $150 right now for upper bowl tickets, and I'm wondering if that's normal.

The season hasn't started yet so I was going to wait out and see if they'll get cheaper (since that does seem a bit expensive for upper tix).

Thanks!.
 

The Nemesis

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Nobody is going to believe me, but I just sold Irbe 5 gallons of deck stain at work...

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Limekiller

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Hey all, Leafs fan coming in peace. I'll be in San Francisco during December 2016 and wanted to attend the Warriors vs Raptors game. Tickets are starting at $150 right now for upper bowl tickets, and I'm wondering if that's normal.

The season hasn't started yet so I was going to wait out and see if they'll get cheaper (since that does seem a bit expensive for upper tix).

Thanks!.

If they have a year anything like last year, expect prices to go up if anything. Me and a couple friends went to a game in February (I think) last year, lower bowl in one of the corners, and paid > $400 a piece for tickets. Now, obviously them having a regular season anything like the last one is unlikely, but the Warriors are probably the area's biggest sports draws at the moment, so prices will reflect that, especially if they're on a 60+ win pace again.
 

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Bochy finally moved Belt up in the lineup and it helped the offense open up a bit. It wasn't the entire reason they scored 12 obviously since the Rockies were throwing a reliever as a starter but it was certainly a reason. Posey and Pence both getting more opportunities to drive in runs is only a good thing.
 

Tkachuk4MVP

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Bochy finally moved Belt up in the lineup and it helped the offense open up a bit. It wasn't the entire reason they scored 12 obviously since the Rockies were throwing a reliever as a starter but it was certainly a reason. Posey and Pence both getting more opportunities to drive in runs is only a good thing.


That move was two months overdue, but better late than never.
 

Pinkfloyd

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That move was two months overdue, but better late than never.

Probably even earlier than that. Span, Panik, and Pagan haven't been doing well at the top of the lineup for most of the year. Belt has and even with his second half slump, he was still getting on base better than those guys. He probably could've avoided his slump and the Giants their slump if that had been done in the timeframe you're talking about. But then again, proactive lineup management tends to be avoided when the team is winning. lol
 
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