Non-Sharks NorCal Sports Thread XXVI

[DonskoiDonscored]

Blue Jays fans are absolutely disgraceful.

I like giving people the benefit of the doubt, but this **** happens seemingly every few games.

Of course it's obviously not all of them (not even close, most of them are awesome), but there are more than a few bad apples...

 

[Juxtaposer]

I like giving people the benefit of the doubt, but this **** happens seemingly every few games.

Of course it's obviously not all of them (not even close, most of them are awesome), but there are more than a few bad apples...

Blue Jays fans are known to be the worst in the league for a reason. It's more than your average few bad apples.

 

[The Nemesis]

Blue Jays fans are known to be the worst in the league for a reason. It's more than your average few bad apples.

It was one idiot with a beer. And maybe him and his friends for the slurs. Hooray for ridiculous overgeneralizations.

It's also literally only happened the twice. Once tonight with the jackhole with the beer, and once during the Game 5 nonsense with Texas last year. But yeah, let's blow it out of proportion into "this happens all the time. worst fans in the league obviously."

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-picks-up-the-pieces-after-raucous-Giants-5858132.php

shootings, rioting, property destruction, graffiti sprayed all over buildings, and 40+ people arrested after the 2014 WS win for the Giants.


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/09/18/49ers-fans-arrested-vikings-fan-beating/

4 9ers fans jump a Vikings fan outside a game and beat him.


http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...ation-Injures-Man-in-Baltimore-395707411.html

2 Raider fans critically injer Ravens fan outside a game in Baltimore


It's easy to paint any fanbase as awful if you pick on the idiots.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Most Jays fans I've met are really, really good people.

But due to all of these incidents at prime media exposure moments, Jays fans in the ballpark are starting to get a reputation. That's all I'm saying. Between the peanut incidents, beer, racism etc., it's a bit more than just a few people.

And the Jays are one of my favorite AL teams, so I hate seeing stuff like this

 

[The Nemesis]

Most Jays fans I've met are really, really good people.

But due to all of these incidents at prime media exposure moments, Jays fans in the ballpark are starting to get a reputation. That's all I'm saying. Between the peanut incidents, beer, racism etc., it's more than just a few people. Rogers Centre has a reputation for being an unruly ballpark.

And the Jays are one of my favorite AL teams, so I hate seeing stuff like this

The "racism" is once. One time. Tonight. By some unidentified small number of people. The beer tonight was one beer can on the field. It's hilariously unfair to lump that into a categorical breakdown of Jays fans. Just as it would be to categorize Giants fans as thuggish, violent looting maniacs, or 49ers or Raiders fans as violent sociopaths because of one incident encompassing the smallest fraction of a percentage point of the fanbase.

The only time that was significant was the large # of crazies at game 5 last year.

So it's 2 games over the last 2 years out of 320+ games in that span where there was anything more serious than you might see at any given night in any given ballpark in MLB.

I went to the 3 games the Blue Jays in Seattle this year and the 3 games last year. The crowds both times were at least 66% Blue Jays fans vs Mariners fans. This year there was one scuffle in the OF seats and one ejection of a fan by the cops (a Mariners fan, not a Jays one) Last year there were some drunken ejections, but no violence or problems.

It's still a "few" people. in a few instances. Even if you wanted to say that there was 100 crazies tonight. That the entire section was nothing but drunken, surly, racist jagoffs. That's 100 people in a stadium of 50,000 people. That's 1/5th of a % of the crowd. on one night of a year where the team drew over 3,000,000 fans in the season. The idea that anyone would be so short-sighted as to think they can draw a grand conclusion about a multi-million person group based on the action of teh smallest fraction of a percentage point of morons who get media exposure for acting like tools would be shockingly, sloppy hypothesizing if it wasn't also grossly, mind-bogglingly brash and, quite frankly, insulting.

I make no excuses for the idiots who did stuff tonight or at the playoff game last year. I hope the jackhole tonight got tossed from the stadium and spends the night in a holding cell. I hope every ****wad who threw stuff on the field last year got a lifetime ban from the stadium. But I would've hoped that even if anyone here wants to talk about the reputation that any fanbase earns for actions like tonight, that those people would be smart enough not to sound like they're buying into those kinds of ludicrous overgeneralizations. Because I'm sure that you or anyone else making such comments would hate to be subjected to the same kind of reckless, broad-brush generalization to be applied to you or any groups you identify with.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Definitely concerned about throwing stuff on the field. Not really concerned about the racism stuff. You shove tens of thousands of people in a stadium, you're bound to have one in there. Just the law of averages and whether that person comes out with it. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often really and every market has them.

 

[HOOCH2173]

The real Wild Card begins tonight!

 

[Juxtaposer]

Another Jays fan threw beer at yet another Orioles outfielder in 2013.



There are plenty of good Jays fans, but they have a reputation for a reason. Everyone I've talked to who has been to a Jays home game says this kind of attitude is an everyday thing. MLB players have noticed. It's just a fact.

 

[The Nemesis]

Another Jays fan threw beer at yet another Orioles outfielder in 2013.



There are plenty of good Jays fans, but they have a reputation for a reason. Everyone I've talked to who has been to a Jays home game says this kind of attitude is an everyday thing. MLB players have noticed. It's just a fact.

"It's just a fact", 3 incidents over the course of 4 years, and the word of whatever handful of second hand accounts you have from people who have likely only been to one or two games apiece. That sure a compelling case to build against a pool of hundreds of thousands to millions of people. One that I cetainly apparently don't have any business questioning in spite of having seen the majority of Jays games over the past decade+ and knowing what goes on on a regular bases.

As someone who often strenuously objects to people opposing your viewpoint with anything less than solid, verified, and complete evidence to support their position, I expected better than this kind of shoddy confirmation-bias and appeal-to-"common knowledge" type case.

Please, continue making gross over-generalizations...

 

[Juxtaposer]

"It's just a fact", 3 incidents over the course of 4 years, and the word of whatever handful of second hand accounts you have from people who have likely only been to one or two games apiece. That sure a compelling case to build against a pool of hundreds of thousands to millions of people. One that I cetainly apparently don't have any business questioning in spite of having seen the majority of Jays games over the past decade+ and knowing what goes on on a regular bases.

As someone who often strenuously objects to people opposing your viewpoint with anything less than solid, verified, and complete evidence to support their position, I expected better than this kind of shoddy confirmation-bias and appeal-to-"common knowledge" type case.

Please, continue making gross over-generalizations...

Okay, you're getting way too worked up about this.

If you wanna generalize Giants fans, go for it. I haven't been to a Giants game since 2009, so I honestly have no idea what goes on there. I've heard some nasty things from "second hand accounts" about Giants fans, so I'm open to anything you wanna claim. I am neither a 49ers fan nor a Raiders fan, but I also believe anything you wanna say about those fanbases. As a whole I am cynical of groups of people who are passionate and often drunk. If I hadn't gone to enough Sharks games that I think I have a fair handle on how our fanbase acts at a game, I would believe any bad thing you wanted to say about them.

Every fanbase has mostly great fans. Every fanbase has some pieces of ****. All I'm saying is that in response to what happened last night, all the Jays fans in my twitter feed, people whom I've followed for years and I know don't just talk out of their *****, have explained that the culture of Jays fans in recent years is that it is tending towards the young white frat-dude types who have no qualms throwing beer/trash/racial slurs. Again, I'm not saying a majority or even one percent of Jays fans are bad. But in relative terms, I've seen a bunch of Jays fans admit that the Jays fanbase is starting to be more prevalent to that kind of behavior.

I added just one more event. One that you clearly didn't know about or forgot (or deigned to add, although I wouldn't expect that from you to be honest). Is it impossible that there were more events you didn't know about or have forgotten about?

A lot of Jays fans are bandwagoners. I have no problem with bandwagoning as a rule; even as a Giants die-hard from before they started winning Championships, I've tried to be tolerant of new bandwagon fans because honestly, it just isn't fun to watch a team whose best hitter is Randy Winn. But bandwagon fans often don't understand proper etiquette at a sports game. That's the feeling I'm getting from these incidents with Jays fans.

I understand that the vast majority of Jays fans are embarrassed and angry at the fan who did this because they don't want to be represented by that *******. If you interpreted my words as an attack on every single Jays fans, that's probably the fault of my wording and I apologize.

But you shouldn't have to get so defensive about the few douchbag fans. And sadly, the minority of ********* fans usually define the temperament of a fanbase.

 

[The Nemesis]

Okay, you're getting way too worked up about this.

If you wanna generalize Giants fans, go for it. I haven't been to a Giants game since 2009, so I honestly have no idea what goes on there. I've heard some nasty things from "second hand accounts" about Giants fans, so I'm open to anything you wanna claim. I am neither a 49ers fan nor a Raiders fan, but I also believe anything you wanna say about those fanbases. As a whole I am cynical of groups of people who are passionate and often drunk. If I hadn't gone to enough Sharks games that I think I have a fair handle on how our fanbase acts at a game, I would believe any bad thing you wanted to say about them.

Every fanbase has mostly great fans. Every fanbase has some pieces of ****. All I'm saying is that in response to what happened last night, all the Jays fans in my twitter feed, people whom I've followed for years and I know don't just talk out of their *****, have explained that the culture of Jays fans in recent years is that it is tending towards the young white frat-dude types who have no qualms throwing beer/trash/racial slurs. Again, I'm not saying a majority or even one percent of Jays fans are bad. But in relative terms, I've seen a bunch of Jays fans admit that the Jays fanbase is starting to be more prevalent to that kind of behavior.

I added just one more event. One that you clearly didn't know about or forgot (or deigned to add, although I wouldn't expect that from you to be honest). Is it impossible that there were more events you didn't know about or have forgotten about?

A lot of Jays fans are bandwagoners. I have no problem with bandwagoning as a rule; even as a Giants die-hard from before they started winning Championships, I've tried to be tolerant of new bandwagon fans because honestly, it just isn't fun to watch a team whose best hitter is Randy Winn. But bandwagon fans often don't understand proper etiquette at a sports game. That's the feeling I'm getting from these incidents with Jays fans.

I understand that the vast majority of Jays fans are embarrassed and angry at the fan who did this because they don't want to be represented by that *******. If you interpreted my words as an attack on every single Jays fans, that's probably the fault of my wording and I apologize.

But you shouldn't have to get so defensive about the few douchbag fans. And sadly, the minority of ********* fans usually define the temperament of a fanbase.

I'm not defensive about the ********* fans. Those idiots deserve everything they get. I was frustrated because your statements were all-encompassing, blanket generalizations about the fanbase as a whole.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm not defensive about the ********* fans. Those idiots deserve everything they get. I was frustrated because your statements were all-encompassing, blanket generalizations about the fanbase as a whole.

I hoped it would be clear that I was not talking about every single Jays fan.

 

[OffSydes]

Another Jays fan threw beer at yet another Orioles outfielder in 2013.



There are plenty of good Jays fans, but they have a reputation for a reason. Everyone I've talked to who has been to a Jays home game says this kind of attitude is an everyday thing. MLB players have noticed. It's just a fact.

Looks like a bunch of Jays fans just learned they had a team in 2013

 

[rangerssharks414]

Good luck tonight, Giants fans!

 

[The Nemesis]

I hoped it would be clear that I was not talking about every single Jays fan.

Obviously not literally, but in the sense of speaking generally of the fanbase as a whole means that you're apparently talking about the majority of fans at a minimum and all of them at a maximum. That's what I took umbrage with. The fact that by all appearances you weren't focusing on the fact that this is a small minority of idiot fans and made it seem like Jays fans as a whole unit were awful people.

Looks like a bunch of Jays fans just learned they had a team in 2013

JP Ricciardi burned the team to the ground in the mid-late 2000s by basically being that guy using the flawed media-understood version of Beane's moneyball tactics (draft college players, sign big, fat, slow guys, hit HRs and never steal) and it took a long time to get any goodwill back. Things didn't really take off until 2015 when all the people who ragged on Alex Anthopoulos for hoarding prospects and not "following up" on the 2013 super-trades with more farm-gutting deals suddenly changed their minds and hailed him as a genius because he spent all the top shelf prospect capital on Tulowitzki and Price

 

[Juxtaposer]

That call on Span was utter *********.

 

[Grave]

The Giants only started to get shady fans after they won two world series.

You want to talk about bad fans is any texas team. Homophobic and racist remarks are common there.

Raiders lol, youll get into a brawl there just for wearing the opposing teams jersey.

 

[Grave]

That call on Span was utter *********.

Yep, pure bs

 

[KirbyDots]

That call on Span was utter *********.

I came on to mention it. Complete garbage.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

With the extensive replay the MLB has I'm not even sure how blowing an obvious call like that is possible.

 

[Juxtaposer]

With the extensive replay the MLB has I'm not even sure how blowing an obvious call like that is possible.

You'd think, right?

 

[Negatively Positive]

A bullpen battle would not be good for the Giants.

 

[KirbyDots]

Go Gigantes! I love Madbum so much!

 

[Juxtaposer]

Ayo!!

 

[Grave]

Saucyyyy