Jarick
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The only potentially elite center we could try and nab would probably be RNH. Maybe Koivu + Granlund + ???
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Dr Jan Itor
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That's a lot for RNH. Maybe Koivu for RNH or Granlund + for RNH.
That being said, I think RNH is their best prospect. Potentially elite but struggled last season.
Koivu's style of play makes him valuable even when he's in his late 30's so I don't know if I'd take the risk. Granlund + (+) would be fair.
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To me it's less about the money and more about how sensible it would be to have a core made out of vets. If we sign Vanek, one or two of the kids are probably getting traded unless they decide to go with three scoring lines. Right now I'd say no to Vanek, but I think CF's planning on going after him.
Jarick
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Vanek is the same age as Parise aka turning 30 this season. Pominville is 31 and Koivu is 30.
I don't think you want four guys in your top six making $6.5-8m each into their late 30's. Especially considering none of them have ever won anything in the NHL.
Again, look at how players performance goes as they age:
You are giving these players their highest contracts for diminishing performance.
Essentially, the production of a Parise or Koivu in their mid-30's is the equivalent of a good, but not great player in their mid-20's. You'll be paying $7-8m for a 20-ish goal and 50-ish point player.
I don't think you want four guys in your top six making $6.5-8m each into their late 30's. Especially considering none of them have ever won anything in the NHL.
Again, look at how players performance goes as they age:
You are giving these players their highest contracts for diminishing performance.
Essentially, the production of a Parise or Koivu in their mid-30's is the equivalent of a good, but not great player in their mid-20's. You'll be paying $7-8m for a 20-ish goal and 50-ish point player.
Dr Jan Itor
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If our defense was situated a little bit better and the cap goes up ~ $7m, then sure, I would be completely on board. We'd have a 3-4 year run as legit contenders. However, with how our team is now constucted, I'm not sure Vanek would make that much of a difference.
Jarick
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Especially if, in 2-3 years, he's more of a 30-goal than a 40-goal scorer. Look at how Heatley tanked from 50 goals to 35 down to 20-25 in just a few short years even before 30 years old. Hell, Parise went from a 40-goal scorer to a 30-goal scorer before we even acquired him at 28.
The players I would overpay for in free agency in their late 20's are guys like Suter, elite defensemen without health issues. They tend to play late into their 30's at a high level. Like Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Niedermeyer, etc.
Honestly, I wouldn't give more than five years to any forward close to 30's unless he was elite, near-generational talent. Just look at the number of good forwards who have been bought out or traded after signing long-term deals (Lecavalier, Briere, Gomez, Richards, Carter, etc).
The players I would overpay for in free agency in their late 20's are guys like Suter, elite defensemen without health issues. They tend to play late into their 30's at a high level. Like Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Niedermeyer, etc.
Honestly, I wouldn't give more than five years to any forward close to 30's unless he was elite, near-generational talent. Just look at the number of good forwards who have been bought out or traded after signing long-term deals (Lecavalier, Briere, Gomez, Richards, Carter, etc).
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I pretty much agree and I don't think either Pominville or Vanek would be offered anything more than five year deals. And neither one of them should get more than $5-$6 million AAV. Parise and Suter's deals are both pushing the envelope, and you can't have a team full of those type deals.
My hope is that these players can be convinced to sign for what really are "fair" (IMO) deals and try to put together a contender and hope that some other team doesn't swoop in and offer them stupid dollars.
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You're right, I guess we should've just let Detroit snatch up both for 10 years/70 million each.
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Sure is a ton of butthurt in the Nashville forum under their "What team to hate" thread
Bet you can't guess who they are crying like a 2 year old about?
Bet you can't guess who they are crying like a 2 year old about?
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lolwut? He almost had 46 just this year. Was going for a 70 point pace. Had 64 the year before. Far and away not even close. He isn't in Boston anymore.
Great, I still think he's overpaid at that level. Yes he was on a 70 point pace this year so let's say he's hit over 50 twice. Not bad, but not worth 5.6 million. I also wonder how much of his production came from playing Tampa, Florida & Carolina on a frequent basis. He's moving into a much tougher division and I don't know if he will be able to be that productive in the Central. We'll see.
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Vanek is the same age as Parise aka turning 30 this season. Pominville is 31 and Koivu is 30.
I don't think you want four guys in your top six making $6.5-8m each into their late 30's. Especially considering none of them have ever won anything in the NHL.
Again, look at how players performance goes as they age:
You are giving these players their highest contracts for diminishing performance.
Essentially, the production of a Parise or Koivu in their mid-30's is the equivalent of a good, but not great player in their mid-20's. You'll be paying $7-8m for a 20-ish goal and 50-ish point player.
I like your post, not just for the cool graphs, but because i agree - With Clutter gone, Brodz is kind of alone in his age group as a guy that can pot 20 goals. The best teams seem to have a lot of guys in their mid 20s, not early 30s. That's why I think Vanek isn't the best idea.
The Wild need to put the hammer down on the draft and develop scheme - Riser lost his way with the Demitra trade. CF needs to keep the system going full bore so those players come from within. Trust your Flahr sir!
This is a good analogy. I think CF has to tread carefully from here on out. We can't just load up on 30+ year old guys.
Jarick
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We could if we want to be up against the cap every season and finishing outside the playoffs like we were a few years ago!
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