OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread X - The Search is on! (Scramblin' Fran Edition)

[thestonedkoala]

The problem I have is that there's holding on every play.

Do you have evidence of this?

 

[Digitalbooya]

The problem I have is that there's holding on every play.

Yep. And I’m sure everyone telling me it’s “by the book a penalty” would be singing a different song if it was the Vikings who got that penalty called on them in the Super Bowl. It would be a questionable call in Week 1, let alone the Super Bowl with under 2 minutes left in a tie game.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Do you have evidence of this?

Yes, I watch every play of the games I do watch. lol

Definition of holding in the rulebook:

(c) Uses his hands or arms to materially restrict an opponent or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. Material restrictions include but are not limited to: I. grabbing or tackling an opponent; II. hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or III. pulling him to the ground.

Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards."

You're telling me an offensive linemen doesn't do that each and every play?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Yes, I watch every play of the games I do watch. lol

Definition of holding in the rulebook:

(c) Uses his hands or arms to materially restrict an opponent or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. Material restrictions include but are not limited to: I. grabbing or tackling an opponent; II. hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or III. pulling him to the ground.

Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards."

You're telling me an offensive linemen doesn't do that each and every play?

I thought you were talking about defensive holding, which is what Bradbury was called for. There are some ticky-tack plays on offense where the offensive linemen may hold or especially pulling on the ground. Defensive holding is a little more questionable, but apparently Bradbury was doing it a few times last night and the refs had enough.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I thought you were talking about defensive holding, which is what Bradbury was called for. There are some ticky-tack plays on offense where the offensive linemen may hold or especially pulling on the ground. Defensive holding is a little more questionable, but apparently Bradbury was doing it a few times last night and the refs had enough.

Nah. Sorry. I just meant holding in general. Whether it be offensive or defensive.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Nah. Sorry. I just meant holding in general. Whether it be offensive or defensive.

I will say that defensive holding is inconsistent, but Bradbury held him like twice in that play. They did a horrible job with camera angles.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Do you have evidence of this?

This was a no penalty call in December.

 

[MuckOG]

Yep. And I’m sure everyone telling me it’s “by the book a penalty” would be singing a different song if it was the Vikings who got that penalty called on them in the Super Bowl. It would be a questionable call in Week 1, let alone the Super Bowl with under 2 minutes left in a tie game.

...and conversely, the same Vikings fans would be upset if it were Justin Jefferson that was held and the penalty wasn't called. Why should the officials swallow their whistles in the final 2 minutes of any game? If a penalty occurred and the refs saw it, then they should throw the flag. That's their job.

 

[thestonedkoala]

This was a no penalty call in December.

And? They miss calls and make good calls all the time. This one was different; should it have been? Maybe. On the Bradbury, he had a hold in the 3rd quarter that wasn't called and on this one, he grabbed Juju's jersey twice - maybe three times. It wasn't a bang, bang play.

Also that wasn't defensive holding. Apparently you didn't read my last post.

That should have been pass interference.

 

[Digitalbooya]

And? They miss calls and make good calls all the time. This one was different; should it have been? Maybe. On the Bradbury, he had a hold in the 3rd quarter that wasn't called and on this one, he grabbed Juju's jersey twice - maybe three times. It wasn't a bang, bang play.

Also that wasn't defensive holding. Apparently you didn't read my last post.

That should have been pass interference.

And they clearly make questionably bad calls too.

 

[thestonedkoala]

And they clearly make questionably bad calls too.

That's in any sports.

Remember foot in the crease?

 

[Digitalbooya]

That's in any sports.

Remember foot in the crease?

I didn’t start watching hockey until 2005.

 

[Roman Maroni]

The problem I have is that there's holding on every play.

Exactly. They could call holding on literally every play of the game. They called 3 penalties all game on the chiefs and 6 on the eagles and at least 2 of them were delay of game calls which they have to call because it’s obvious.
If they haven’t been blowing the whistle the whole game, that one seems a little bit ticky tacky (although it’s a penalty).
I do think the game is managed game by game by what the league wants according to who is playing. All sports are going to make sure their stars are protected. It makes the leagues the most money.
I think the biggest problem from last nights game was the field conditions. Chiefs never gave up a sack. Eagles didn’t blitz a whole lot because Mahomes will kill you if you blitz. Chiefs line kept Eagles line in check and that’s the difference.
I’m not a fan of either team. In a perfect world they both would’ve lost by 40.
If Hurts doesn’t fumble early. Chiefs would have been driving to force overtime, not the win.
It was a good game, it just really ended with a couple minutes left on the clock.

 

[TaLoN]

And they clearly make questionably bad calls too.

I'm not going to blame the refs for making a call, when even the defender himself admits he held intentionally, while just hoping the ref would let it go.

 

[TaLoN]

 

[TaLoN]

If they haven’t been blowing the whistle the whole game, that one seems a little bit ticky tacky (although it’s a penalty).

New angle shows jersey tug on crucial holding call in Super Bowl LVII

It was a hold. NFL Films has the definitive angle that shows James Bradberry's foul on JuJu Smith-Schuster.

www.footballzebras.com

That angle is almost the exact same angle that Jenkins had when he threw his flag. Bradberry admitted he held during the post-game interview with the media.


We see the jersey tug. But, does it rise to the level of a foul? The big question is did Smith-Schuster lose steps or get pulled off stride when running his route? You can see the receiver get held up just an instant during the jersey tug. Also, you can make the argument that Bradberry’s right arm obstructed Smith-Schuster’s pass route after he turned to run downfield.

During the game, I grimaced when I first saw the flag. I wrote that we didn’t have the angle that Jenkins had, but I had my doubts about the flag.
Bradberry’s admission was enough for me to walk back those doubts.

And, the footage from NFL Films now confirms that my initial thought on the call was dead wrong.

 

[Minnewildsota]

That was a pretty weak hold IMHO. I've seen a lot worse not get called.

 

[TaLoN]

That was a pretty weak hold IMHO. I've seen a lot worse not get called.

We've also seen a lot less get called too

 

[MuckOG]

Purple Pride, Purple Pride.

RIP

 

[TaLoN]

Two Vikings contracts have officially voided

The Vikings will likely be moving on from two players this offseason

vikingswire.usatoday.com

Peterson and Tomlinson gone

 

[TaLoN]

Vikings' K.J. Osborn helped save man's life from burning vehicle

Minnesota Vikings' K.J. Osborn was one of four individuals who helped save a man's life on Sunday night by pulling him out and away from a burning vehicle.

www.yahoo.com

 

[TaLoN]

Report: The Vikings released LB Eric Kendricks

The second-round pick from 2015 will be suiting up for a team other than the Vikings in 2023

vikingswire.usatoday.com

According to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, the Vikings released linebacker Eric Kendricks. The move was expected as releasing Kendricks will save over $9 million in salary cap space.

Kendricks is now on the wrong side of 30 at 31 years old and he had lost at least a step. He struggled to keep up with the speed of the game and his used to be great coverage skills had taken a massive step back.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Report: The Vikings released LB Eric Kendricks

The second-round pick from 2015 will be suiting up for a team other than the Vikings in 2023

vikingswire.usatoday.com

It was time. He's starting to lose a step and you could see it the last year or two. Seems like a good dude, so will wish him the best in his future endeavors

 

[TaLoN]

It was time. He's starting to lose a step and you could see it the last year or two. Seems like a good dude, so will wish him the best in his future endeavors

He had a terrible second half of last season for sure. I thought he was good the year prior and at the start of last season, but just got worse as it went on.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I liked Kendricks, and he was great for us. But this cap clearing move was needed, he had lost a step and Ed Donattel's 3-4 did not work with his brand of LB in any way.

Good luck to him