OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread X - The Search is on! (Scramblin' Fran Edition)
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Another ridiculous win for the Vikings man.
The Giants are an extremely well coached team, one of the best in the league, so its good, again, to sneak out a win.
Greg was sketchy at the start of the year but hes gaining some swagger at the right time.
KOCs short yardage play calling is absolute booty. Hes trying to be the smartest man in the room and it aint working.
Duke Shelley has been an absolute fantastic pick up by Kwesi. One of the only players on the team with attitude and dog in him.
Josh Metellus has been a STs stud all year as well.
Ed Donatell needs to go at the end of the year.
JJ is good at football.
Happy holidays ladies and germs
That is all.
The Giants are an extremely well coached team, one of the best in the league, so its good, again, to sneak out a win.
Greg was sketchy at the start of the year but hes gaining some swagger at the right time.
KOCs short yardage play calling is absolute booty. Hes trying to be the smartest man in the room and it aint working.
Duke Shelley has been an absolute fantastic pick up by Kwesi. One of the only players on the team with attitude and dog in him.
Josh Metellus has been a STs stud all year as well.
Ed Donatell needs to go at the end of the year.
JJ is good at football.
Happy holidays ladies and germs
That is all.
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JJ is already tied the record for most seasons with 1600+ yards. Next closest is Megatron which took him 9 seasons to reach that mark, rest of players took them a decade.
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It's impressive regardless, but the league has changed so much over the past 20-30 years, it's not shocking either.
I mean Johnson didn't play THAT long ago - he played in the mid 2000s to the mid 2010s. So roughly 7-15 years ago.
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The leagues changed alot. I expect a lot of records to be broken here within a few years with the addition of the 17th game. JJs rookie receiving record only stood for 1 year until Jamarr Chase broke it the following year.
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The league has become much more of a passing game in just the past 5 years vs 10 years ago. 15yrs ago might as well have been a different league completely, then beyond it's beyond recognition compared to today.
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It's something that every sport has to deal with. NBA has the 3 pointers, we have now vs. the DPE vs. the 80's, football has the QB protection/passing game boon, etc...
You were talking about 20-30 years ago. The game has opened up, but I mean you had Moss and Culpepper and Holt and Warner and Manning and Harrison. Coaches have gotten more creative, but receivers were just as talented back then if not more (players are getting bigger and stronger to counter the bigger and stronger receives).
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I was talking about the vast amount of change that has taken place within that time-frame, yes.
Over the past 20-30 years does not mean today vs then... but all the changes that have occurred over that time.
As @Dr Jan Itor pointed out, the recent QB protection rules of the past 5 years has seen the most recent dramatic change increasing the passing game
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Also, the twisting into it being the defender's fault if the QB throws a suicide pass. You can basically just call it "offensive player protection".
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Also true. Going across the middle in Moss' day required bravery. That's why Moss was always ridiculed for "alligator arms" going across the middle, afraid of the hit that was going to come. Now? You don't dare lay out a defenseless receiver. Automatic 15yrds
So, if Green Bay wins the next two games and the Commanders lose once, Green Bay makes the playoffs.
Crazy.
Crazy.
I miss the NFL game from 15+ years ago (the Favre era). I've been watching less and less football every year for awhile because of all the rules that have neutered the defenses. I don't even know what qualifies as a catch is anymore.
The amount of athleticism and talent these players have is making it difficult for everything to catch up on.
Nah. The offensive skill players just have no fear now. The skill and athleticism are receivers opening themselves up to broken ribs if the defense could play the man and not the ball. QBs can hold the ball longer without fear of being planted into the ground.
I mean yes and no. They are taking cheap shots at Jefferson without getting calls.
The problem is that they aren't teaching proper tackling techniques anymore.
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They haven't done that since the end of the 80's. By the mid 90's players started launching themselves at other players with their arm tucked in so they could hit them like a missile instead of wrapping them up.
It looked cool and made highlight reel impacts, which made everyone want to do it... but has resulted in thousands of missed tackles that are frustrating to watch.
Made the game so much more dangerous too, for both those being hit, and those doing the hitting. I think that type of hitting is one of the biggest drivers behind the neutering of the defenders in what they're allowed to do these days.
As for the occasional cheap shot that JJ takes? Those were a dime-a-dozen per game shots 10 years ago, delivered legally several times per game by both teams. JJ sees one once every few games by comparison, and sometimes a flag is thrown for it.
The lack of proper tackling techniques is on HS and college coaching more than NFL coaching. Once they get to the NFL there just isn't enough time to teach it due to the limited amount of practices, and even those are mostly non-contact per the league rules. There is also rules on how much (football related) time coaches/players can have during the offseason. College and HS also have rules on how much and type of practices that can be had.
I also don't think QBs or receivers are more athletic or skilled than they were 20-30 years ago. QB's like Kelly, Moon, Marino, Young, Elway, Aikman, etc would still thrive in the current game. The same goes for the way too many receivers to list. Today's rules would be a cheat code for a prime P. Manning.
On the flip side the current great QBs and receivers of today's game would still mostly thrive back in the 90s game.
Guys like Moss were a rarity. Big, athletic receivers. Players are getting bigger, stronger due to a lot of different advancements. Moon and Young would have succeeded, maybe Elway and Marino as younger guys but guys like Aikman may have difficulties. Mobile quarterbacks, guys that can move around in the pocket are becoming more and more important.
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Dan Marino as well...
Is that why the most immobile QB in history also happens to be considered the greatest QB in history by most everyone, and still plays today at the age of 45? Mobility at the QB position is overrated and shortens careers. A QB's greatest weapon is still his arm at the end of the day, and getting it to the receiver accurately is still their best play. Doing so while standing in the pocket is still the most effective method.
Also, JJ isn't "bigger and stronger". He isn't as big as Moss, Megatron, TO, Carter, Herman Moore, Michael Irvin, AJ Green or even Rice. All of these guys were bigger than him and all played at roughly the same time (Megatron and Green less so, as well as Moore).
In today's game, because of the protection rules, smaller receivers have thrived so much more in recent times. That's why you don't see as many big WR's in today's game. Now you have guys like Chase, JJ, Diggs, Adams, Brown excelling so much more... and one of the biggest guys is Cooper Kupp at only 6'2" which would rank amongst the smallest of the list prior.
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