OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread X - The Search is on! (Scramblin' Fran Edition)

[thestonedkoala]

I wasn't a big fan of Spielman, but it's a bigger risk terminating him than Zimmer. There aren't a lot of good GMs, and it's easier to set back the franchise a decade by hiring the wrong guy...my hope is they pick up a guy like Hortiz from the Ravens.

On that note, Barr is probably gone, Cousins maybe gone, my hope is that Thielen and Smith as well.

 

[GuerinUp]

Do we want to build a winner long term or make a flash in the pan run with an extremely flawed roster that will still likely fail to win the trophy?

id start with a winner (superbowl) for 1 season, and work up from there at this rate

 

[57special]

Do we want to build a winner long term or make a flash in the pan run with an extremely flawed roster that will still likely fail to win the trophy?

I'll go Favre on the deal. I still remember watching Joe Kapp play, nvm Tarkenton....I have zero faith that this team will get a star QB except by stealing one. If it doesn't work then we blow it up afterwards, when Thielen, Cook, Smith and the like will be starting to break down.

 

[TaLoN]

Mark Wilf on KFAN reiterating they are leading the search internally, not using a search firm for the GM. (I previously mentioned Brzezinski is leading the search)

They are getting right to work on both GM and coach at the same time, but will hire a GM first so the GM can have say on the coach as well, but they are not waiting to start the coach search either.

I'll go Favre on the deal. I still remember watching Joe Kapp play, nvm Tarkenton....I have zero faith that this team will get a star QB except by stealing one. If it doesn't work then we blow it up afterwards, when Thielen, Cook, Smith and the like will be starting to break down.

Very different situations on the state of the team.

THAT team was very deep on both sides of the ball, just didn't have a QB. That is not at all the case here.

id start with a winner (superbowl) for 1 season, and work up from there at this rate

This team is not Aaron Rodgers away from the Super Bowl.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

1: probably not, he seems like very unbradylike.
2: it appears more so that he is out the door rather than staying in Green Bay.

Then we'd now have the best QB in the division, and it wouldn't be particularly close.

 

[57special]

Mark Wilf on KFAN reiterating they are leading the search internally, not using a search firm for the GM. (I previously mentioned Brzezinski is leading the search)

They are getting right to work on both GM and coach at the same time, but will hire a GM first so the GM can have say on the coach as well, but they are not waiting to start the coach search either.


Very different situations on the state of the team.

THAT team was very deep on both sides of the ball, just didn't have a QB. That is not at all the case here.

Ehh, quit bringing us down with logic. We'll just win games 65-57.

 

[TaLoN]

Ehh, quit bringing us down with logic. We'll just win games 65-57.

I just want this team to do it right.

 

[MuckOG]

This team is not Aaron Rodgers away from the Super Bowl.

Disagreed. I would argue that the Vikings have a more talented overall roster than GB...and that if Rodgers weren't playing for the Packers, the Vikings would've won the division. If Rodgers were the Vikings QB, we would be a Super Bowl contender for sure.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Then we'd now have the best QB in the division, and it wouldn't be particularly close.

you could debate that Goff is on par with Cousins. neither is stupid good, Cousins had the better supporting cast this year. Best qb in the division feels like a consolation prize though considering just how poor Cousins is. sure he has pretty stats, but he does not have the winner mentality. everything about him just looks like a guy who shows up to work and does just enough to not get fired. sure it worked sometimes but god no give me someone else.

 

[TaLoN]

Disagreed. I would argue that the Vikings have a more talented overall roster than GB...and that if Rodgers weren't playing for the Packers, the Vikings would've won the division. If Rodgers were the Vikings QB, we would be a Super Bowl contender for sure.

You and I seriously disagree on the overall state of the team then.

The poor state of the team is exactly why I wanted Spielman gone first and foremost.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

you could debate that Goff is on par with Cousins. neither is stupid good, Cousins had the better supporting cast this year. Best qb in the division feels like a consolation prize though considering just how poor Cousins is. sure he has pretty stats, but he does not have the winner mentality. everything about him just looks like a guy who shows up to work and does just enough to not get fired. sure it worked sometimes but god no give me someone else.

You would lose that debate handily.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

You would lose that debate handily.

based on stats alone? handidly yes. Kirk has good stats, if that is all anyone looked at he is a top 5-10 qb easily. issue is those stats are padded with far too much prevent defense deep shots and touchdowns. when the game is close, he is more likely to checkdown to the running back than he is to take a shot to one of the best WR in the league downfield. he doesnt have to be farve gunslinger mentality, but you cant tell me a double covered jefferson or thielen for the first down isnt far better of a choice than checking down 10 yards behind the first on 3rd and long time and time again in all situations.

 

[GuerinUp]

Mark Wilf on KFAN reiterating they are leading the search internally, not using a search firm for the GM. (I previously mentioned Brzezinski is leading the search)

They are getting right to work on both GM and coach at the same time, but will hire a GM first so the GM can have say on the coach as well, but they are not waiting to start the coach search either.


Very different situations on the state of the team.

THAT team was very deep on both sides of the ball, just didn't have a QB. That is not at all the case here.


This team is not Aaron Rodgers away from the Super Bowl.

i disagree, weve gone 15-1 with a team that was worse on paper on defense imo.

based on stats alone? handidly yes. Kirk has good stats, if that is all anyone looked at he is a top 5-10 qb easily. issue is those stats are padded with far too much prevent defense deep shots and touchdowns. when the game is close, he is more likely to checkdown to the running back than he is to take a shot to one of the best WR in the league downfield. he doesnt have to be farve gunslinger mentality, but you cant tell me a double covered jefferson or thielen for the first down isnt far better of a choice than checking down 10 yards behind the first on 3rd and long time and time again in all situations.

some of that falls onto play calling though too.

 

[TaLoN]

i disagree, weve gone 15-1 with a team that was worse on paper on defense imo.

In a very different league than today.

Still had a great offensive line too.

This team's defense was completely carved up in 2 minute situations at a historic level.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

some of that falls onto play calling though too.

does it though? when you look at replays, you can see WR getting open a second later but he had already thrown it to the RB or whomever well short of the 1st. as much as i dislike rogers and the packers, he throws it with anticipation that his wr will win the battle and be open. kirk does not do that.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

based on stats alone? handidly yes. Kirk has good stats, if that is all anyone looked at he is a top 5-10 qb easily. issue is those stats are padded with far too much prevent defense deep shots and touchdowns. when the game is close, he is more likely to checkdown to the running back than he is to take a shot to one of the best WR in the league downfield. he doesnt have to be farve gunslinger mentality, but you cant tell me a double covered jefferson or thielen for the first down isnt far better of a choice than checking down 10 yards behind the first on 3rd and long time and time again in all situations.

Yes. What are you bringing on Goff's side of the argument?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We're a coach/coordinator upgrade and good draft away from solving 60% of our problems. A couple re-structures probably takes care of another 20% (if that money is spent correctly).

 

[GuerinUp]

does it though? when you look at replays, you can see WR getting open a second later but he had already thrown it to the RB or whomever well short of the 1st. as much as i dislike rogers and the packers, he throws it with anticipation that his wr will win the battle and be open. kirk does not do that.

well rodgers is one of the best qbs all time, so thats a pretty tough comparison. but i do know what you are saying.

 

[Digitalbooya]

What the hell is going on in here??

 

[GuerinUp]

What the hell is going on in here??

we are trading cousins for futures and signing rodgers

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What the hell is going on in here??

Regime change.

 

[TaLoN]

What the hell is going on in here??

Some have an unrealistic pipe dream.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Yes. What are you bringing on Goff's side of the argument?

currently nothing as outside of watching Goff i have not dove into stats of any kind nor supporting cast or coach ect. its hard to base anything off of stats as garbage time fantasty stats are so prolific in the nfl. Goff was losing to a team roughly 41-10 at halftime and since the other team let up to coast to a win he probably stock piled 350 yards passing and 4 touchdowns. very similar to what cousins does to look ok.

for clarity though, cousins had 1000 more passing yards, 14 more touchdowns and 1 less int. on paper looks better. eye test, i dont see a ton of difference but that is purely opinion based and hard to justify or support as there is no concrete evidence to stand on like stats.

well rodgers is one of the best qbs all time, so thats a pretty tough comparison. but i do know what you are saying.

indeed rogers is not who the comparison should be with, he is just an easy one to use an example of simply because he has that factor that cousins is greatly missing.

 

[57special]

What the hell is going on in here??

we are trading cousins for futures and signing rodgers

Some have an unrealistic pipe dream.

My opium addiction has nothing to do with signing Rodgers. My only question is whether Rodgers has to go to the Jets, first, or if we can skip that step.

 

[Wild11MN]

My opium addiction has nothing to do with signing Rodgers. My only question is whether Rodgers has to go to the Jets, first, or if we can skip that step.

Also how many times he has to retire first.