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Noah Dobson

isles55 said:
I think John Carlson is the best comparable for him.
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Dobson has always reminded me of Pietrangelo. Both are big rangy RD that are smooth skaters, make great outlet passes, and can skate the puck up the ice when necessary. I think Dobson is ahead of where Pietrangelo was offensively at the same age, but hes not as good defensively. Over the next couple of seasons i think he will add 10-15lbs of muscle and will grow into his man strength. When that happens i think we will see his defensive game blossom.

I will also add that Dobson is much more creative offensively than i thought he would be, and he has a great knack for getting the puck into high danger areas.
 
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MattMartin said:
The problem with us and has been since our inception is, we have to draft players, nobody wants to come play for us unless a massive overpay. I mean, I'm 90% sure every player that had/has a trade clause the islanders were on the list of teams not to be traded to lol. When was the last big free agent signing the islanders had? I can't even think of one.


After looking, the best in history in terms of name recognition and not at the tail end of career was Satan. All the best free agent pick ups are players who were pretty much underwhelming or bottom 6 players.

Players like:
Moulson
Grabner
Bates
Lehner
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Mark Streit?
 
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Dobson has been developing nicely. He certainly feels like the best "offensive" defenseman on that team since Mark Streit. Question is if he can get to the upper echelon of guys like Pietrangelo, Hughes, Fox, and Hamilton. Problem for the Islanders is a very bad power play, and a coaching staff that doesn't know what it wants to be.

also Jinx thread so i wont exactly say this hurts his production moving forward.
 
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Osakahaus said:
Dobson has been developing nicely. He certainly feels like the best "offensive" defenseman on that team since Mark Streit. Question is if he can get to the upper echelon of guys like Pietrangelo, Hughes, Fox, and Hamilton. Problem for the Islanders is a very bad power play, and a coaching staff that doesn't know what it wants to be.

also Jinx thread so i wont exactly say this hurts his production moving forward.
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He needed time to develop. Still puzzled that chi and Edm passed on him to take Boqvist and Bouchard.
As a Canucks fan, I fully expected AZ or Detroit to take Hughes and Dobso. Was who I hoped they’d take if that occurred. Better skater than Bouchard and bigger than Boqvist. Minute muncher Dman. The offense in the past couple of seasons has been very surprising. Thought at best he’d top out at around 50 points or so.
 
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I thought Dobson was the 3rd best defender in the 2018 draft before that draft, so it's not a surprise now. His size/skating combo made him, for me, a much better choice than Bouchard or Boqvist. Sure, he was less polished with the puck, but imo you err towards raw athleticism barring some other obvious flaw, and his hockey sense was obviously not a flaw. No surprise that he's strongest in transition. NYI are a different team 5v5 with and without him on the ice.

Dobson still has a ways to go, especially in terms of running a powerplay. What he has going for him is that he has a variety of shots, he's accurate from distance, and he has a knack with slap-passes. So he's great when he's on the receiving end of some good puck movement. But he's not so great at generating good puck movement to begin with, and he can be too stationary on the PP. He doesn't have the natural fluidity of movement (therefore unpredictability) that really great PP QB's have like Hughes, Fox, Makar, Heiskenen, Doughty of the past, etc. He's still has to find his way on the PP.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Last year the "perfectly built team" thread.
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The same should apply to the Rangers but I will not engage in trolling. Islanders are a very confused and unsure team on where their direction is going. Do they want to be young and hungry, or do they still want to be that veteran shutdown team? Because right now, being the latter is going to hurt them in the long term. I want more youth. I'll bang on that drum until the cows come home.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Last year the "perfectly built team" thread.
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Well you have the elitist of the elite everyone according to a few people (mainly Crypto and his special critical thinking skills) so apparently it was the perfectly built team. Lead by generational talent Laf. Soon enough we’ll see one of them again from some poster.

Osakahaus said:
The same should apply to the Rangers but I will not engage in trolling. Islanders are a very confused and unsure team on where their direction is going. Do they want to be young and hungry, or do they still want to be that veteran shutdown team? Because right now, being the latter is going to hurt them in the long term. I want more youth. I'll bang on that drum until the cows come home.
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Barzal, Dobson and Holmstrom’s play the last couple games show he’s trying to be young and hungry. They however rely on the aging players too much to fill spots. It’s time to see what the roster can do without Matt and Cal for a couple games.
 
miscs75 said:
Well you have the elitist of the elite everyone according to a few people (mainly Crypto and his special critical thinking skills) so apparently it was the perfectly built team. Lead by generational talent Laf. Soon enough we’ll see one of them again from some poster.


Barzal, Dobson and Holmstrom’s play the last couple games show he’s trying to be young and hungry. They however rely on the aging players too much to fill spots. It’s time to see what the roster can do without Matt and Cal for a couple games.
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The poster that made that thread isn't even a Rangers fan. And every time we lose a game we get countless posts on our board about how we'll never win anything and we should blow it up. So you must be thinking of a different fanbase.
 
potatowejj said:
Orr
Lidstrom
Bourque
Potvin
Harvey
Robinson
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I think it gets really tough to rank guys across eras and it's made even harder if you didn't watch them. I couldn't realistically comment on Doug Harvey or Bobby Orr. They were before my time and even Potvin was well along in his career before I'm old enough that hockey is on my radar screen to where I can assess players. I'd say Coffey should probably be on that list as well.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
The poster that made that thread isn't even a Rangers fan. And every time we lose a game we get countless posts on our board about how we'll never win anything and we should blow it up. So you must be thinking of a different fanbase.
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Islanders fans are the same way when they lose. Usually the teams own fanbase becomes the most opinionated regarding their specific team. Nope, you get the few loudmouth Rangers fans on here who push the agenda in everything Islanders page that the team has nothing to offer to the NHL and that the Rangers are the equivalent of the Soo in the NOSHO. Crypto and a few others spend more time bashing the Islanders than anything Rangers related.
 
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Pure Slaughter Value said:
Awesome offensive defenseman

Still a piss-poor defensive defenseman.

Upside for both so we've got that going for us (which is nice).
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Dobson doesn't turn 24 until January and he's starting to emerge as the alpha of the Isles defense group, that's a massive win for the team. As great as Pelech is, he has been getting banged up last year and this year already. Pelech did have that thoracic issue and missed half a season earlier in his career. Dobson does have his share of defensive mishaps, but he has looked marketedly improved this season so far and has done it without the security blanket of Pelech for several games. He no longer looks like a Bambi like he was early on and isn't getting out muscled all game, he's filled out more and his game has matured. Lambert sends him out there 25 minutes a night and in all situations, he does not look overwhelmed in a top pairing role and has really emerged offensively. Dobson has always had chemistry with Barzal as well, the two of them are top offensive catalysts for the Isles that is offensive starved so they gotta do some heavy lifting.

6'4 RHD that skates well, has 12gp (4g, 8a), plays about 25/min. TOI and the +4 is better than a -4 with that much ice time deployed against top lines... that's crazy valuable with upside for more. Isles fans should be overjoyed that a #12 overall 1st netted them such a high impact and valuable player at a premium position, I would say that the often used Pietrangelo comparisons since his draft year seem to be quite good up until this point. I doubt he can sustain a PPG pace for an entire season, but a 60+ point season with 10+ goals looks like a solid bet with the possibility of even more. If Dobson put up 70+ with 15-20g at 25/min TOI, does that not get him into the Norris conversation? I would also think Team Canada would be keeping their eyes on him as well for the big boy tourneys.

The Isles have also developed Dobson perfectly, he's had some sick partners and mentors to start his career with Boychuk, Chara, and now Pelech to babysit and cover him to free him up to do his thing offensively. The 4-on-4 backhand goal against Carolina was a good indicator of how smooth and confident his game has become offensively. Dobson said he travels to occasionally train with Crosby and MacKinnon during the offseason, looks like the work is paying off. The defensive mistakes are less and less brain farty which is a positive and he is no longer completely physically outmatched, he also has a Sutton-Youngblood thing going on with Barzal which is another bonus. The Isles need one gift from the hockey gods in the form of a game breaking forward added to this group and maybe another solid LHD to put Salo on the bench to be a true threat, but Dobson has emerged as a foundational piece of a team in the playoff mix at 23. That's a huge win for the Isles with the added bonus that the Rangers passed oh him for Kravtsov.
 
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Zeeker said:
Thank god the Rangers took Kravstov
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Actually a few picks happened in order for Dobson to drop till 12th. He could have went as high as #3 to Montreal. I still wonder to this day if we had only one pick would we have taken Wahlstrom(11) or Dobson(12). Part of me feels we took Wahlstrom first because he was more marketable but if we only had one pick we would have went with Dobson.

Imagine if we didn't have that second pick and we look back how we didn't take Dobson. Hindsight being 20/20 we should have taken Farabee over Wahlstrom
 
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