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I think its a little early to put him as clear#2 from draft. Id still have Hughes ahead of him, and Bouchard tied with Dobson. Although Dobson is having a wonderful start to the year. here are there numbers for careers and last year. last column is from puckiq.com
-Dahlin and Hughes seem to have the hardest minutes of the bunch, and also the most experienced in NHL.
-Hughes is the best point producer out of the bunch but that's mostly due to pp opportunity. if we look at 5on5 Bouchard is slightly ahead of the other big 3.
-I dont have a way to compare defensive impact as I dont think xGA is a good indicator of that. these guys were mostly drafted for their offensive contributions anyways.
| Player | Total Games Played | Total Points | 21/22 games | 21/22 points | 21/22 5on5 points | % of time on ice against elite |
| Dahlin | 292 | 178 | 80 | 53 | 27 | 32.60% |
| Hughes | 218 | 179 | 76 | 68 | 27 | 32.20% |
| Boqvist | 132 | 51 | 52 | 22 | 16 | 21.20% |
| Bouchard | 118 | 54 | 81 | 43 | 31 | 27% |
| Dobson | 177 | 84 | 80 | 51 | 25 | 26.20% |
-Dahlin and Hughes seem to have the hardest minutes of the bunch, and also the most experienced in NHL.
-Hughes is the best point producer out of the bunch but that's mostly due to pp opportunity. if we look at 5on5 Bouchard is slightly ahead of the other big 3.
-I dont have a way to compare defensive impact as I dont think xGA is a good indicator of that. these guys were mostly drafted for their offensive contributions anyways.
Dahlin, Dobson, and Hughes are clearly ahead of the rest of the pack from the draft, with Miller and Bouchard a fair bit behind them.
Dahlin and Hughes both play tougher minutes than Dobson because those 2 teams dont have anyone near Pelech/Pulock as a lockdown pair.
In a redraft I think it would go
Dahlin
Dobson
Hughes
With Dobson/Hughes being very close. Hughes obviously being electric offensively, while Dobson being a big rangy 2 way RD similar to Pietrangelo.
I disagree. Data shows last year dahlin and Hughes were clear best. Both played top pair and had great production. Next I'd have bouch and dobson who played similar minutes, personally I'd rather Bouchard who had better 5on5 numbers.
Go look at the recent poll of Dobson vs Bouchard. Its clear you are in the minority. Dobson is much better than Bouchard. Hughes wouldnt be playing top pair on the isles either.
meh I dont put much value in HFboards polls, I put more weight in the stats I showed.
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Love that the Flames traded the pick that would become Dobson so we could have Hamonic.
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So good of Detroit to pass on Hughes, Bouchard and Dobson for Filip Zadina in 2018. Just what the team needed.
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Same.
Boqvist was a bit small and had a concussion issue.
Bouchard was a bit slow.
Hughes was small.
But Dobson had all the tools to shine everywhere.
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That was payback for Gordie Clark being with the Isles previously and setting them back a decade. Thanks Gordie.
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I thought it was interesting that he missed the puck at the offensive blueline in the Toronto game last night and instead of bobbling it at the line and risk a counter rush he just bailed on the puck and beelined it back deep into defensive position. It was so conservative and rare to see but I respect it.
I dont think I have seen him do thay before. I just think he realized it would be a high risk play in a tight game. Dobsons play at the offensive blueline has really developed nicely. He knows when to pinch and when to back off. Hes also fantastic at keeping the puck in the zone and getting his shots on net.
I was hoping the isles drafted a 2 way 40+ point defenseman. Its looking like he is going to be a 2 way defenseman that can put up 60+ points. Incredible development over the past 2 years for the kid.
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U can say this for drafted players in just about every major sports league. Development is not linear like many on HF seem to believe.
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It's also incredibly franchise specific. Good franchises develop player better and players drafted into shitty situations don't thrive as well.
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Dobson turns 23 in January, he is establishing himself as an impact NHL RHD with true #1D ability as a 2000 born "kid". He's not there yet, but you see all the signs that he'll get there fairly soon. His development has been pretty much ideal to this point and I think the Isles as a franchise were a perfect situation for him.
Pelech is the rock of the defense, he is an elite defensive d-man. He goes up against the other team's offensive alpha and shuts it down, he is just so good and is locked up with a good contract. Pulock is much maligned, but he is solid and a perfect match with Pelech. Other team's would love to have him as a shut down RHD that logs the tough minutes and contributes some offense. His contract should age well also. Sorokin is an elite NHL goalie, trending towards franchise goalie. Dobson is in the perfect spot to continue to develop while being sheltered by the Pelech-Pulock top pair.
Dobson can still be an adventure defensively, but he is improving and shows signs of becoming quite good in his own zone. What makes him special is his offensive ability. He already has the look of a 60-point 2-way 6'4 RHD, there aren't that many of those in the NHL. He is so smart and has become the offensive guy that is expected to make things happen. His contract is super team friendly. He's gonna get a an 8-year big money extension if he realizes his potential, looks like a pretty safe bet at this point.
Shout out Scott Mayfield, he is very underrated and does a lot of heavy lifting that allows Dobson more freedom to do his thing. Dobson doesn't see the ice in the last 3:00 protecting a lead, he hasn't earned that yet. Mayfield and Pulock take care of that along with Sorokin being a God. Dobson has been in a best case scenario with the Isles. It's debatable if he reaches his ceiling with another franchise. I know some Oiler fans regret passing on Dobson for his direct "prospect rival" in Bouchard, but would Dobson be what he looks like he is right now in Edmonton? They don't have the greatest track record in developing d-men.
As maligned as Lou may be, he brought stability to the Isles and built a solid franchise structure with Trotz to allow a kid like Dobson thrive. I wonder how Bouchard would look if Edmonton did take Dobson and the Isles took him. Pulock 2.0?
That's an interesting thing to ponder.
Bouchard was a touch more ready for the nhl but I thiufht long term Dobson would be better given his better skating ability.
Dobson was the guy I wanted the Canucks to get as I expected Hughes to go to either Detroit or Arizona.
But development with him was the key. I was surprised that he played only like half of the isles game at 19. Figured they okay him just in reduced minutes. But he needed to get stronger so they gave him the time and program to do that.
Bouchard vs DObson is like Pietroangelo vs Bogo. Bogo was physically very mature while AP needed more time to develop. Hands down there is simply no argument over which of the 2 you’d would have wanted. Even with 2-3 years longer to get to the nhl it’s not close.
That’s why it’s always a big picture view when looking at prospects. Think more 5 years down the line vs who makes the nhl as a teenager.
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The problem with us and has been since our inception is, we have to draft players, nobody wants to come play for us unless a massive overpay. I mean, I'm 90% sure every player that had/has a trade clause the islanders were on the list of teams not to be traded to lol. When was the last big free agent signing the islanders had? I can't even think of one.
After looking, the best in history in terms of name recognition and not at the tail end of career was Satan. All the best free agent pick ups are players who were pretty much underwhelming or bottom 6 players.
Players like:
Moulson
Grabner
Bates
Lehner
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MattMartin
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So much this. We were in a great position where we could slowly let him develope instead of a situation like Hedman or Dahlin where they were asked to be the savior right out of the draft. Getting to be around players like Pelech, Pulock, Leddy, Boychuk, Chara, Greene for his 1st few years surely helped lol.
