I know it is a sad time now, but as long as the Jays come out and win next yr. Nobody will remember AA didn't resign.
Blue Jays Discussion: No More AA, Everyone is very Sad (and by Sad, I mean Mad)
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If you guys want a good laugh, tune into fan 590. Guy said AA was in his over head. Brady&Walker asked him what was his best move "that 3rd baseman he acquired"
Sokil
Ukraine Specialitsky
tmlfan98
No More Excuses #MarnerOut
Muston Atthews
Bunch of Bangerz
There was no rumour. It was Keith Law stating his opinion. It's a common theme in Toronto media, taking opinions as facts from journalists.
JS19
Legends Never Die
You have too much optimism thinking that it'll help Shapiro that he has a larger budget (while forgetting that a large portion of the money is almost accounted for through contracts extending 2016-onwards). Pretty sure that Rogers will limit his ability to spend, and may even ask him to slash some $$.
How is that contradictory? You can't just focus on a rotation being good and forget about the rest of the team and vice versa. Also, I never said that the Jays pitching was good, but at least they have a good team beyond the rotation. So if they focus their efforts on the rotation and bullpen they should be fine.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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Jimmy Firecracker
They Fired Sheldon!
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use the force
Eyedea
The Legend Continues
What's extending onwards? The only longterm contracts are Tulowitzki's for 5+1 (team option) and Martin's 4 remaining years. Donaldson is also under control for another 3 years.
Muston Atthews
Bunch of Bangerz
I'm not forgetting anything. He essentially has the same team to work with as AA does, minus a rotation and bullpen. The fact you're disregarding a bigger budget being a tool for Shapiro is mind blowing. His "track record" will go up next year because he has a bigger budget. Sure, Anthopolous built a lot of it but it's still the way it is because he had a bigger budget to work with than Shapiro.
"I never said that the Jays pitching was good, but at least they have a good team beyond the rotation."
The Indians have a good rotation beyond their line up! This is how you are being contradictory. They have some great pieces in their line up and a great rotation. Like the Jays they have some holes that they will need filled but it will be harder for them because THEY HAVE A SMALLER BUDGET.
diceman934
Help is on the way.
That was funny....he ripped on him and could not name the player....so much for credibility....
I guess this means Sanchez will be dealt
nah, Shapiro gotta hold on to him until AA gets hired. Then fleece him for all he's worth.
Very very sad news. Must have been something to do with Shapiro/new management. No other reason for AA to leave behind a team he built into a winner. The players love him, the city loves him, he seemed to love it here, has always been around Canadian baseball his whole life, built a team that could have won it all this year, etc...
No way he would just get up and leave it all behind (especially if he was offered a 5 year extension) if there wasn't something else behind closed doors going on. Either Rogers telling him he can't spend much money this off-season, or in fact it is the whole Shapiro getting the last say on personnel.
No way he would just get up and leave it all behind (especially if he was offered a 5 year extension) if there wasn't something else behind closed doors going on. Either Rogers telling him he can't spend much money this off-season, or in fact it is the whole Shapiro getting the last say on personnel.
Bob Mccowan talking about AA scenario right now. Says the job description wasn't the same as it was with Beeston.
Muston Atthews
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First move seemed to be to offer the GM a 5 year extension. He's not even the President yet, however.
Woodman19
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I bet we even see lots of short term money thrown around in free agency to help shore up depth without dealing the farm. If we can buy the system 2 years of being untouched mostly and add to it with trades and drafts, we could have a sustainable winner.
diceman934
Help is on the way.
He was not offered an extension of his current role....but offered an extension to have less say.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
If Shapiro really wants to have full control of baseball ops, I don't really know why Rogers has decided to give him the keys to the franchise.
Since 2010, Cleveland has gone 475-496. The Blue Jays 489-483.
I mean, I'd understand if it was a guy like Dombrowski, who's had sustained success... but I can't see how Shapiro is an upgrade over AA on the baseball side.
And sure, he had to work with a lower payroll. But he also wasn't in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox every year.
Maybe it'll work out... who knows. But in terms of optics, this is terrible for Rogers, and I don't think the potential benefit outweighs that.
Best case scenario, Shapiro takes the team to the WS next year, but AA still gets most of the credit. If they don't make the playoffs... well all that blame is going on him.
Since 2010, Cleveland has gone 475-496. The Blue Jays 489-483.
I mean, I'd understand if it was a guy like Dombrowski, who's had sustained success... but I can't see how Shapiro is an upgrade over AA on the baseball side.
And sure, he had to work with a lower payroll. But he also wasn't in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox every year.
Maybe it'll work out... who knows. But in terms of optics, this is terrible for Rogers, and I don't think the potential benefit outweighs that.
Best case scenario, Shapiro takes the team to the WS next year, but AA still gets most of the credit. If they don't make the playoffs... well all that blame is going on him.
Muston Atthews
Bunch of Bangerz
Yes. He was. His previous job was as GM to report to Paul Beeston. His offered job was as GM to report to Mark Shapiro. Only thing that changed was the man he would have to report to. Everything I've heard is that he didn't want to report to anyone anymore. His ego took hold.
My ideal offseason is as under:
1. Bring back David Price
2. Sign Ben Zobrist as starting 2B (with Goins as primary backup)
3. Trade Devon Travis for a SP (Drew Smyly?)
4. Re-sign Marco Estrada to a 4 year, 12 million per contract.
Revere
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Tulowitzki
Zobrist
Colabello/Smoak
Martin
Pillar
Mouth watering hitting team and Zobrist is ideal as a switch hitting option.
1. Bring back David Price
2. Sign Ben Zobrist as starting 2B (with Goins as primary backup)
3. Trade Devon Travis for a SP (Drew Smyly?)
4. Re-sign Marco Estrada to a 4 year, 12 million per contract.
Revere
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Tulowitzki
Zobrist
Colabello/Smoak
Martin
Pillar
Mouth watering hitting team and Zobrist is ideal as a switch hitting option.
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