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Oilslick941611 said:
The Scale of the issues are oceans apart. They can't be compared. HC will have consequences. The Government pulled funding, Advertising backed down from supporting, the Board will likely be completely replaced and they may be placed under government oversight.
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MeHateHe said:
Are you equating the bungling of an investigation with the death of thousands of Ukrainian civilians?

There are levels of bad acts and there are levels of responses. Not everything results in the death penalty.
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The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
 
Melrose Munch said:
The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
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no, because these incidents are in the past and are criminal in nature and don't pose an existential threat to the world. Hockey Canada and those in it who partook in the cover will get theirs and now that Government is looking into it changes have been made and will continue to be made.

You aren't comparing apples to apples here. A crime doesn't equal expulsion from the tournament. You are trying to create a false equivalence here and make it comparable. If you cannot understand the difference between an unprovoked invasion of nation, committing war crimes and WORDWIDE CONDEMNATION from sexual assault and a sports tournament there is no use continuing this. You look silly.
 
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Melrose Munch said:
The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
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We don't know a crime was committed yet. Has there been guilty verdicts brought down yet? or even charges laid?

Facts.
 
jj cale said:
We don't know a crime was committed yet. Has there been guilty verdicts brought down yet? or even charges laid?

Facts.
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a crime was very likely committed but even if it were completely charged and those involved convicted it still doesn't rise to the same nature as the Ruzzian situation. That poster is trying to create a false equivalence that crime=expulsion which is simply not true.

USS FJB said:
No propaganda please. This is a hockey forum
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wrong poster to remind.
 
Oilslick941611 said:
a crime was very likely committed but even if it were completely charged and those involved convicted it still doesn't rise to the same nature as the Ruzzian situation. That poster is trying to create a false equivalence that crime=expulsion which is simply not true.
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A crime very likely being committed is not the same as we have proven they were committed.
 
Melrose Munch said:
The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
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You can't punish two vastly different "infractions" with the exact same punishment. What HC was a part of (allegedly) and what Russia is doing are miles apart in terms of who is being impacted by those acts.

Saying HC should also be banned from tournaments because Russia was banned would be like saying someone who was charged with common assault where the victim was fine should also be facing a double life sentence because that serial killer got a double life sentence. After all, both committed a heinous crime, right?
 
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Sidney the Kidney said:
You can't punish two vastly different "infractions" with the exact same punishment. What HC was a part of (allegedly) and what Russia is doing are miles apart in terms of who is being impacted by those acts.

Saying HC should also be banned from tournaments because Russia was banned would be like saying someone who was charged with common assault where the victim was fine should also be facing a double life sentence because that serial killer got a double life sentence. After all, both committed a heinous crime, right?
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Oilslick941611 said:
no, because these incidents are in the past and are criminal in nature and don't pose an existential threat to the world. Hockey Canada and those in it who partook in the cover will get theirs and now that Government is looking into it changes have been made and will continue to be made.

You aren't comparing apples to apples here. A crime doesn't equal expulsion from the tournament. You are trying to create a false equivalence here and make it comparable. If you cannot understand the difference between an unprovoked invasion of nation, committing war crimes and WORDWIDE CONDEMNATION from sexual assault and a sports tournament there is no use continuing this. You look silly.
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jj cale said:
We don't know a crime was committed yet. Has there been guilty verdicts brought down yet? or even charges laid?

Facts.
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Oilslick941611 said:
a crime was very likely committed but even if it were completely charged and those involved convicted it still doesn't rise to the same nature as the Ruzzian situation. That poster is trying to create a false equivalence that crime=expulsion which is simply not true.


wrong poster to remind.
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Ok so what should be done then, because to me just waiting for the inquiry (yes there will be one) is not good enough
 
Melrose Munch said:
Ok so what should be done then, because to me just waiting for the inquiry (yes there will be one) is not good enough
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I have no idea what should be done, all i was saying is that you said it was a fact that a crime was committed and I am saying that hasn't been determined yet.
 
Melrose Munch said:
The victims testimony isn't enough for you?
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are you implying that alleged victims testimony should always be believed without question?, that people are incapable of anything but truthfullness?

people don't lie,make things up, etc,etc...................ever? That never happens?

May as well not even have a court of law in a lot of cases then, save us a lot of time and money.
 
Melrose Munch said:
Ok so what should be done then, because to me just waiting for the inquiry (yes there will be one) is not good enough
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There is an inquiry that is already happening with the Government of Canada, and you don't do anything except make changes at Hockey Canada (which have begun to happen)
 
I'm in Calgary and I've yet to have a conversation even in passing about the tournament. And like I have two whatsapp group chats that are hockey based.

No one is mad about the sexual assaults, no one is saying its too expensive. No one even knows its happening
 
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Oilslick941611 said:
There is an inquiry that is already happening with the Government of Canada, and you don't do anything except make changes at Hockey Canada (which have begun to happen)
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Not good enough. Sweeping changes need to be made.

jj cale said:
are you implying that alleged victims testimony should always be believed without question?, that people are incapable of anything but truthfullness?

people don't lie,make things up, etc,etc...................ever? That never happens?

May as well not even have a court of law in a lot of cases then, save us a lot of time and money.
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Do you think she's lying? Yes or no?
 
jj cale said:
Do I think she's lying? I've no idea, what difference does what I think make?

Are you saying people should be sent to jail on what you or I think?
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It makes a lot of difference, especially with the word games you're trying to play.
 
Melrose Munch said:
I don't disagree with any of this, but the host of the tournament was directly involved in multiple assaults. They haven't received a punishment from the IIHF yet.

Hockey Canada issue isn't ongoing?
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Not really.

If you don't see the difference I cannot help you.

It is the CANADIAN media & parliament who has identified it as a problem. The Canadian Parliament has instituted new oversight rules. It is CANADIAN society that has found Hockey Canada's actions problematic and is dealing with it.

Hockey Canada is accused of settling out of court with sexual assault victims while having involved the POLICE in the matter from the beginning. Their actions are certainly not criminal but more of a nuanced poor decision.

Comparing this with the deliberate murder and rape of tens of thousand of civilians and the displacement of millions in Ukraine by a regime that is convinced its action are correct is completely ridiculous.

You clearly have no understanding of morality.

Melrose Munch said:
The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
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No fact has been determined in these cases. You are wrong. Just stop.
 
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Melrose Munch said:
It makes a lot of difference, especially with the word games you're trying to play.
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lol.

Word games, listen, I sure hope prosecutors have a better strategy when trying cases then ......."melrose munch assumes if people claim something they must be telling the truth so we must convict"

Please.
 
Melrose Munch said:
The fact is a crime was committed. Do you believe Canada should have been suspended based on the multiple incidents? Its not about Russia being worse. Reminder that we still don't know the players involved in either 2003 or 2016.
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The fact is that you actually don't know whether a crime was committed. It might have been, and if it was the guilty parties should be punished severely, but you very obviously do not know what happened.

As I said before, if you have evidence that something happened, which you must since you claim that a crime being committed is a fact, you should stop your moralizing on HFBoards for a few minutes and tell the police.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
I gotta be honest I never understood this "It's Xtime" mentality. Who cares what time of year it is? Are you a fan or not? If you are sitting around watching tv why would you limit yourself over some arbitrary thing?

If you never watch it or are on vacation or whatever, I get it. But if you otherwise would be watching hockey but refuse because of something so stupid (imo) you probably aren't that big of a fan of the tournament / sport as you let on. And that's ok.
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Well its a sunny 28°C outside and the last place I want to be is inside a hot stuffy house watching a bunch of U20 kids play hockey in the middle of August.
I'm an ardent Flames fan not an ardent U20 Team Canada fan.
Sorry, but there are plenty of other things I'd rather be doing in August like playing a round of golf, fishing, wildlife photography, watching the local Okotoks Dawgs win the Western Canadian Baseball League championship, or maybe just sitting around my backyard fire pit with a cold frosty one in my hand enjoying the day/evening with my wife.
 
ES said:
Regardless of weekdays home team usually plays in the 1st semi-final so they would have more rest before final which is on the following day.

Of course if home team needs to make final to that happen.
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I think Canada played Sweden in the second semi-final in the 2017 Montreal/Toronto tournament.
 
KaraLupin said:
This.

If you look at the activity in this sub forum, and the fact that you're already on a forum dedicated to hockey, this is the bubble. Do not expect that to extrapolate into the real world with such concentration. I have no checked one bit of coverage and only clicked this thread because of the title. and I'm registered on the hockey dedicated forum, so what's that tell us about what CASUALS level of interest?
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I went with gifted tickets when it was in Montreal. I saw 2 games I believe, and I'll happily pay if the ticket prices are good, because it's a fun "day trip" at the arena.

Mind you, there's a few caveats. Ideally during the winter. Ideally less than $50 - I won't pay NHL prices to see "the next generation".

Make it affordable for families. It's supposed to be a fun tournament and event... make it so
 
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took this screenshot 15 minutes before puck drop. semi-final game ft canada and they'll have an empty rink lmao

meanwhile the raptors pre-season game in edmonton in october sold out today in under 10 minutes.

absolutely embarassing for the iihf and hockey canada
 
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