Confirmed Trade: [NJD/EDM] Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson ‎- Part 2

[WesMcCauley]

Klefbom - Larsson
Sekera - Davidson
Nurse - Fayne/Reinhart

We finally have 4 legit top 4 dmen, as well as 2 more potential top 4 guys on the bottom pairing

Still missing two top pair defensemen

 

[Daximus]

I feel like your sitting there waiting for some sort of prize. I'm sorry, we don't have one for yhou

haha oh I already have my prize. Now I just get to sit back and watch.

 

[illpucks]

Nashville wouldnt have taken Hall for Weber

Edmonton could add. But I'd rather they add and get Subban than trade Hall straight up for Larsson

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Chiarelli should be embarrassed, this could potentially go down as the second worst trade in Oilers history, he could've gotten more for Hall. But thinking about it, why didn't Chevy trade one of our low-key guys for him.

 

[mj2sexay]

Lol @ EDM fans asking "durr why not just trade Yak for a RHD!"

Hey, maybe if you want someone of the ilk of KURTIS FOSTER.

FACT: To get you have to give. I'm not saying the Devils shouldn't have thrown more into the deal or that the Oilers didnt get the worse end of the deal, but they had all the leverage working against them. They were looking for one of the most in demand assets in the league, and were in a position that everyone knew they had to clear a logjam.

Also, the notion that Larson is currently a #4 is laughable.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Edm is actually a more balanced team now. They won't have issues scoring goals, but were always bad at preventing them.

Uhm only Arizona, Carolina, New Jersey, and Buffalo have scored less goals in the past three seasons.

 

[Daximus]

Chiarelli should be embarrassed, this could potentially go down as the second worst trade in Oilers history, he could've gotten more for Hall. But thinking about it, why didn't Chevy trade one of our low-key guys for him.

I imagine the ask was Trouba if he talked to Chevy. Doubt they wanted Myers. They were looking for a young somewhat proven dman.

 

[One Winged Angel]

If EDM got Dubois or Tkachuk does this trade still happen? I think with Puljujarvi they are able to somewhat replace Hall.

Terrible asset management and line of thinking if that's the case.

Deal Eberle or RNH for a top-4 defender and then draft defenders in the following years. Edmonton isn't a win-now team, this type of move shows that they're trying to accelerate the process of rebuilding and that's just not a smart way to to do it. Add a defender in free agency. Draft one. Puljujarvi was the right pick at #4, there's no argument to the BPA method. Not only that, but Edmonton wasn't going to be over the cap with Hall.

However, if you deal RNH or Eberle, you can hold onto Hall. Now Edmonton's depth at wing is just awful. Could have sold lower on either of those two to keep Hall. Keeping Hall and recouping lesser assets one of two lesser players is better asset management then selling low on your best asset...

Now you have to think about...

- Does Edmonton now have to keep Yakupov and hope he develops into the winger he was picked at #1 with?
- Eberle and Puljujarvi now have more pressure on him to replace Hall, short and long term. Eberle will be looked at as the primary option on wing now and Puljujarvi will have to contribute more sooner than expected.

Bad deal.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I wonder how the Devils are going to replace Adam Larsson.
Larsson's departure leaves a big hole on New Jersey's defense, unless Shero thinks that Santini is ready to challenge for a roster spot, but that still doesn't replace Larsson.

 

[ghoti]

Edmonton could add. But I'd rather they add and get Subban than trade Hall straight up for Larsson

What would they add that Nashville is going to accept for their franchise #1 D-Man? Remember, the package would have to be more appealing to them than Subban.

 

[smackdaddy]

haha oh I already have my prize. Now I just get to sit back and watch.

As much as myself and oiler fans hate it, they did get better. Add a RHD , solidifies our top 4, just drafted Puljujarvi and we are apparently going to sign Lucic..

In:

Larsson
Puljujarvi
Lucic (Maybe)

Out:

Hall

That's called a net gain

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

But if you've got to make a trade, why not try to trade Nail Yakupov and a good set of picks, or even RNH, for Larsson, or a good top 4 D man? Don't trade your best left winger, and in my opinion, a top 5 LW in the entire league, who would do AMAZING if given McDavid for a full season, for that return.

Because NJ wasn't trading Larson for a deal based around RNH or Yak++. Sometimes you have to overpay from a value perspective to get the guy you want.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I'm not saying it's a good trade, but when people start saying he's going to be closer to Mark Fayne next season in EDM fans minds, that's ludicrous.

I agree, Fayne sucks more than the Rangers Super Corsio Bros. Larsson is a solid defender, just not worth Hall.

You could sell low on Eberle or RNH and recoup assets and then draft a defender next year. Dealing your best winger off and selling low is the worst thing you can do.

 

[koalabear9301]

you may be suffering under the same delusion many Oiler fans were about the Value of Oiler players not named McDavid, Hall, or Draisaitl. Yak+RNH doesn't equal Hall. You have to think if they made this trade they tried to trade RNH + for Larsson first and it was a no go.

I pray to god the Wild don't actually trade Brodin or Dumba for RNH now that this has happened.

I think RNH + a 2nd would equal a solid D man. Maybe not Larsson, but someone you could slot into the second line and then pick someone up in free agency. Hell, even Eberle would've made for a much fairer trade. Or if they got a pick or a solid 3rd line LW for Hall and Larsson.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Chiarelli should be embarrassed, this could potentially go down as the second worst trade in Oilers history, he could've gotten more for Hall. But thinking about it, why didn't Chevy trade one of our low-key guys for him.

don't you think if he could have, he would have?

no one trades wingers for defensemen, no matter how elite the winger is

 

[rynryn]

by game 20 you will be on the Hall bandwagon. He didn't have attitude issues. He was one of the few who hated losing and wasn't satisfied with just getting the paycheck.

He will be your best player for the next 5-10 years

long time "hater" of the Oilers but I agree. I'd love Hall's "attitude" on our team.

 

[KCC]

EDM traded one of the top LW in the game for potential. That's essentially it. And Chiarelli is banking on that potential that Larsson turns into a true top defenseman. If it doesn't pan out oh boy will this go down as one of the worst trades in the teams history I think.

But it's clear with the way the market was and how desperate EDM is for defense it was going to cost a lot. I get that.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Terrible asset management and line of thinking if that's the case.

Deal Eberle or RNH for a top-4 defender and then draft defenders in the following years. Edmonton isn't a win-now team, this type of move shows that they're trying to accelerate the process of rebuilding and that's just not a smart way to to do it. Add a defender in free agency. Draft one. Puljujarvi was the right pick at #4, there's no argument to the BPA method. Not only that, but Edmonton wasn't going to be over the cap with Hall.

However, if you deal RNH or Eberle, you can hold onto Hall. Now Edmonton's depth at wing is just awful. Could have sold lower on either of those two to keep Hall. Keeping Hall and recouping lesser assets one of two lesser players is better asset management then selling low on your best asset...

Now you have to think about...

- Does Edmonton now have to keep Yakupov and hope he develops into the winger he was picked at #1 with?
- Eberle and Puljujarvi now have more pressure on him to replace Hall, short and long term. Eberle will be looked at as the primary option on wing now and Puljujarvi will have to contribute more sooner than expected.

Bad deal.

they're getting Lucic

 

[Daximus]

As much as myself and oiler fans hate it, they did get better. Add a RHD , solidifies our top 4, just drafted Puljujarvi and we are apparently going to sign Lucic..

In:

Larsson
Puljujarvi
Lucic (Maybe)

Out:

Hall

That's called a net gain

Losing a top LW is always going to hurt. Larsson is a decent top 4 shutdown D and Lucic is still solid. But you didn't have to get rid of Hall to gain Lucic or Puljujarvi so adding them to the mix to make up for the loss doesn't change the fact they just traded one of the top wingers in the game for a top 4 shutdown defender.

 

[Xirik]

I seem to remember the Devils being in the Stanley Cup Finals with Adam Larson on D...

 

[smackdaddy]

Losing a top LW is always going to hurt. Larsson is a decent top 4 shutdown D and Lucic is still solid. But you didn't have to get rid of Hall to gain Lucic or Puljujarvi so adding them to the mix to make up for the loss doesn't change the fact they just traded one of the top wingers in the game for a top 4 shutdown defender.

Have you run our forward lines with hall lucic and pool party? three top lines. something gotta give

 

[Classicnamesup]

Don't like this for Edmonton, bad value for Hall.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

EDM traded one of the top LW in the game for potential. That's essentially it. And Chiarelli is banking on that potential that Larsson turns into a true top defenseman. If it doesn't pan out oh boy will this go down as one of the worst trades in the teams history I think.

But it's clear with the way the market was and how desperate EDM is for defense it was going to cost a lot. I get that.

well, its a little more than "potential"

 

[DasKaiser]

I agree. The potential is there. I never disputed that. But you don't trade the for sure thing in Hall being a top 5 LW in the world, for potential.

Funny thing about all this talk, before the draft you could barely trade Hall or any other Oiler for anything on this site! NOW, he is the ultimate winger, sure he was in my estimate a very good LW, but I also questioned his commitment at times. When he first arrived, he had more fire and that seemed to wain when McDavid arrived and he was not top dog. Sulking on the ice, at times, became his MO. Change was needed and it came. Arriving is a young RHD that has very good upside, was it THE GUY, maybe, only time will tell. I'm listening to the radio and bashing the Oilers GM, same guys that bashed them last season for not making moves in the core. Unreal. After this trade I think that the Oiler GM did his homework (he also knows the player since he came from the same conference) and knows more than all the people on this chat room and on the radio. If he screwed up, fine, he's human, but I think he is doing the right thing. Now, go out and get Ericksson! Trade for another RHD and I guess Lucic is coming! Relax, come the fall we will have Oiler hockey to watch and it will be something completely different and exciting. Keep it up Chia, bye, bye Eberle!

 

[IslesBro715]

I thought they didnt need a shutdown d-man?

All the Hamonic trade threads can finally be laid to rest, and all i can say is lololol to Hamonic +++++ for Hall now.