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Confirmed Trade: [NJD/EDM] Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson ‎- Part 2

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Signed said:
This is an excellent trade from an Oiler POV. Thats not what the haters and trolls are harping on.

They are harping on the value. And they are right. Its short.

Larsson + 1st round pick (lottery protected) in 2017 would be fair value for Hall. We didnt get it. So what? Life goes on.

Its a trade i do except I hold out of another half baked prospect at least.
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Ye its obvious they filled a need but they got a second pair defensemen for a top 3 or top 4 LW. The value is just horrible. Why not overpay for Subban when you Are overpaying by that much....

Hall+nurse+ for Subban
Rnh+ for Larsson
 
SMantzas said:
Haha I love you, Roo. It's truly charming that you enter this thread to nitpick some of my statements made months ago and took the time to look them up. I now know who to call when I need to do some quick "digging" on people.

You're right, I should not have called him a #3 because he is one of the best defensive d in the league. It is just fair to wonder how much of his rise was due to getting time with Greene when so many have been much better with AG than away.

It feels good to get a better offensive player than Giroux, and not pay fair value. Can you forgive me for being so excited?
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Don't worry, I'll always be here to call out your ******** :)

Should be fun watching Hall vs the elite future blueline of the Flyers.
 
KlefDown said:
Thats good logic but you also don't chop off your arm to try fix your crippling leg
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You do if you know it can grow back.

I'm not saying Hall was the right piece to hack off (he wasnt), or even that that the deal was fair (it probably wasnt), but they have plenty more arms (Drai, RNH, McDavid) where that came from, and just got another one last week in Puljujärvi. That's what this amounts to in my view: an overpayment and a painful sacrifice to get an overall better team,

I'm also not trying to tell you what's best for your team. You know alot better than me. But just trying to give you perspective on what could, in the long run, be worth it.
 
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Signed said:
This is an excellent trade from an Oiler POV. Thats not what the haters and trolls are harping on.

They are harping on the value. And they are right. Its short.

Larsson + 1st round pick (lottery protected) in 2017 would be fair value for Hall. We didnt get it. So what? Life goes on.

Its a trade i do except I hold out of another half baked prospect at least.
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I mean, most of us could name 50 D better than Larsson right now. But yeah, IF Larsson can lead the Oilers blueline and make them a playoff team, thats another story, but in the Western Conference, that's still a BIG IF.

The consensus is that Chia got hosed once again. Larsson is also 23, I know D take longer to develop but your talking players 1 year apart in age, one has established himself as elite and that is indisputable while the other has been projected by some to be a #1D and billed a #4 by other.

Chiarelli traded Hall for a big question mark.
 
I wonder if there's more to happen for the Oilers, I mean having RNH as your 3rd line centre is a bit of a waste of an asset, as McDavid and Draisaitl are Oilers long term top 6 centre men. I wonder if they swing a deal around RNH for more D help or a top 6 winger.
 
ChaoticOrange said:
This might be the worst straight up deal in NHL history. Anyone got a worse one?
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Lucbourdon said:
Worst trade in the past decade
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Seguin to Dallas ?... EDM didn't get great value for Hall but they were not in a position of power, in reality they were actually in the worst position possible. They knew they were going to get low-balled BUT Larsson is a very good defender. Makes sense to move Hall. Obvious surplus of forwards and with Hall gone seems like McDavid established himself as the clear leader/face of the team (if he already wasn't) I like the trade for both sides. NJ has a lot of D prospects but are weak up front, EDM has the opposite problem. Good hockey deal. Sure you would like more for a #1 pick and top line winger but Larsson is a very good hockey player and easily a top pairing defenceman. Good on Chia getting help on the back end.
 
The Amity Affliction said:
Horrible trade for Edmonton. Hall is a PROVEN #1 winger. One of the top-3 or so wingers in the game.

I don't care what any Devil fan says, Larsson is not a legit #1 defenseman. I've seen more than enough of him being in my market to know that he's not a legit #1. He's a good top-4 guy that was used as a #1 because of terrible defensive depth. Was Rozsival a legit #1 with the Rangers? No, but he was used as one. Same thing. Larsson is a good #3-4 on a team with better defensive depth.

There's also nothing to suggest that he'll be the franchise defenseman that he was billed to be and worth giving up an ESTABLISHED franchise winger for.

No matter what way you cut it, this is a TERRIBLE trade for Edmonton. RNH or Eberle would have been a better deal for Edmonton and a lot closer in value.
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I'm an Oiler fan and yes I would have liked a little more value. But constantly finishing in the bottom 5 in the league, should mean change. We all screamed for it during the season and now it came. Myself I don't care who it is. Next up get rid of Eberle, keep the centermen and look at wingers in free agency or trade again. Wouldn't mind R. Strome from NYI, I know he is listed as a C, but he is right handed and shift him over there.
 
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rynryn said:
You can can be pissed about value not being returned but ultimately this makes the Oilers a better team IMO. I can only imagine the lowball offers they were getting if they pulled the trigger on this so quickly. If your family is starving you're going to think about selling your engagement ring for groceries, and if there's only one grocery store in town you don't have much choice.

The little side story to this is Hall's surprise and chagrin at being traded just when things were looking up. He handled it like a champ, but you could tell he wasn't pleased. Winning cures a lot of that kind of ill but other guys looking to sign contracts in the future will keep this in mind.
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One of the best wingers in the league is going to help a team win over a top 4d man regardless of a teams positional need.

A sheer disaster for Oilers, Chia is quickly proving he was no upgrade on previous management groups.
 
Edmonton is a better team even though they lost in a vacuum. It has potential for upside at least...unlike the Subban for Weber trade lol. In other news, this almost confirms that teams aren't interested in paying the premium for Oilers players. Last season we heard teams were offering 2nd for Yak, and now rumors his value is plummeted to a 3rd.
 
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CanuckGame39 said:
I'm going to have a brain auerisum the next time I see someone compare Larsson to Hedman.

Hedman is a LEGIT stud #1 Larsson is a #4 with #2 POTENTIAL.

They have nothing in common besides nationality...
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Hedman was frequently called a bust around here when he was 22/23 years old.
 
CanuckGame39 said:
I'm going to have a brain auerisum the next time I see someone compare Larsson to Hedman.

Hedman is a LEGIT stud #1 Larsson is a #4 with #2 POTENTIAL.

They have nothing in common besides nationality...
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Yea but Tampa wouldn't move Hedman for Hall, I'm a bit surprised Habs didn't move Subban for Hall, at this point I'd rather have Hall than Weber.
 
Pain had to be had.

Someone post that picture again of the vicious circle. Guess what? Big changes made. I hate this trade but I still trust Chia
 
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Blender said:
Devils won the trade, but people (especially Oilers fans) are really undervaluing and under appreciating Larsson. The guy is an elite defensive defenseman who will get more point playing behind a competent offense, as his passing is very good. He'll never be an end to end rush guy, but he's a solid top pairing defenseman.
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No he's not. He's good but not elite. And the trade is bad value wise, unfortunately NJ just improved.
 
GrandmaSlices51631 said:
I see the EDM perspective of wanting change but not giving Hall and McDavid one full season together was VERY SHORTSIGHTED.
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MacDavid, Rnh, Draistle, Eberle, Maroon, Pool Party, maybe even super bust Yak. Hall was expendable based on the number of top 6 players we have. Not getting a good, solid dman was not an option.
( I also doubt Chia would have made this trade unless he already has a deal with Luch to replace Hall.)
 
iFan said:
I wonder if there's more to happen for the Oilers, I mean having RNH as your 3rd line centre is a bit of a waste of an asset, as McDavid and Draisaitl are Oilers long term top 6 centre men. I wonder if they swing a deal around RNH for more D help or a top 6 winger.
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They will probably put drai on Hopkins wing like they did before.
 
TheUnseenHand said:
You can call his shot mediocre, but his defense is incredible. His vision is also very good and his breakout pass is fantastic.
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If he can pass the puck out of our end and get it near one of the forwards sticks he will double his points this next year.
 
CanuckGame39 said:
I'm going to have a brain auerisum the next time I see someone compare Larsson to Hedman.

Hedman is a LEGIT stud #1 Larsson is a #4 with #2 POTENTIAL.

They have nothing in common besides nationality...
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:laugh: he is NOT a #4 right now. Any informed person can tell you that.
 
So Oilers could have taken Larsson in 2011 at #3 or #4 instead of RNH, and picked up pieces in the process, instead decide to trade 5 years later, a different and more productive #1 overall.

Makes sense.
 
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