Asking a player who is still adjusting to NA ice to play his off side is putting too much on him. Thats just setting him up for failure.
Hes already been iffy trying to push pucks up ice on his strong side.
Nils Lundkvist vs Zac Jones
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Asking a player who is still adjusting to NA ice to play his off side is putting too much on him. Thats just setting him up for failure.
Hes already been iffy trying to push pucks up ice on his strong side.
Easily Jones for me. And not just because I've been pumping his train-whistle since last year. He's looked the most ready and most effective of our prospect dmen. Meaning, he's earning the spot by his work.
This idea that Lundkvist has a preordained roster spot always seemed crazy to me. He's still so young. The idea that they brought him over from Europe, so he has to get a spot, which I've heard some argue again doesn't make much sense to me. They brought him over from Europe and he has a lot to learn in North America and playing hockey here. And that's part of why the A exists. Right now, it looked to me as though he needs some time there before stepping out onto the NHL ice. And he could definitely use with a bit of bulking up. But then so can Jones.
Jones is a year younger but played in NA and college and we've seen a lot of college guys appear prepared to jump into the NHL to some extent. He did a decent job holding his own in the short stint last season and actually looks like he can contribute to the team right from the start. Jones himself could probably use some more in the A too. But if one of these prospects is getting a spot, then for me it has to be Jones right now. And really, I wouldn't be shocked if ultimately none of the prospects made it out of the gate. Well, I guess it's just down to Jones and Lundkvist at this point. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if they both got sent to the A to start the season. Or one got a few games before being sent down. Rangers have enough D where they don't NEED one of them on the roster right away.
As far as Lundkvist goes, the hype got out of hand. Way out of hand. He looks like a good young player, but I just don't see an automatic stud right now. And some of the comparisons I've heard or the other D prospects he's been grouped with are just nuts. I am sure he's got a high ceiling, but this isn't a Cale Makar, Dahlin level player we are looking at, at least not right now. All though, those are the kinds of comparisons I am talking about. But I think the worst thing they could do is rush him after waiting all this time. Which I think is part of the reason for the insane hype. He made everyone wait and the idea grew bigger than the player.
But yea, if any have earned it thus far, it's Jones IMO. Still some preseason to go though.
Jones might be the best skater on the entire team. Definitely among Dmen.
This idea that Lundkvist has a preordained roster spot always seemed crazy to me. He's still so young. The idea that they brought him over from Europe, so he has to get a spot, which I've heard some argue again doesn't make much sense to me. They brought him over from Europe and he has a lot to learn in North America and playing hockey here. And that's part of why the A exists. Right now, it looked to me as though he needs some time there before stepping out onto the NHL ice. And he could definitely use with a bit of bulking up. But then so can Jones.
Jones is a year younger but played in NA and college and we've seen a lot of college guys appear prepared to jump into the NHL to some extent. He did a decent job holding his own in the short stint last season and actually looks like he can contribute to the team right from the start. Jones himself could probably use some more in the A too. But if one of these prospects is getting a spot, then for me it has to be Jones right now. And really, I wouldn't be shocked if ultimately none of the prospects made it out of the gate. Well, I guess it's just down to Jones and Lundkvist at this point. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if they both got sent to the A to start the season. Or one got a few games before being sent down. Rangers have enough D where they don't NEED one of them on the roster right away.
As far as Lundkvist goes, the hype got out of hand. Way out of hand. He looks like a good young player, but I just don't see an automatic stud right now. And some of the comparisons I've heard or the other D prospects he's been grouped with are just nuts. I am sure he's got a high ceiling, but this isn't a Cale Makar, Dahlin level player we are looking at, at least not right now. All though, those are the kinds of comparisons I am talking about. But I think the worst thing they could do is rush him after waiting all this time. Which I think is part of the reason for the insane hype. He made everyone wait and the idea grew bigger than the player.
But yea, if any have earned it thus far, it's Jones IMO. Still some preseason to go though.
Jones might be the best skater on the entire team. Definitely among Dmen.
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To be honest Jones stands out a bit more but I'm not sure he's actually the better player even right now and i suspect Lundkvist would be far more effective in the third pair role
I thought Jones looked good on the PK. I don't think either are solely offensive Dmen. Both clearly play above average D. So I don't think there would necessarily be a problem with having them both on the roster IF both were ready. But I don't think both are.
And anyway, Trouba is basically an "offensive" D, so is Miller. At least if we are labeling guys "offensive dmen" because they have an offensive game. But none look like offensive specialists to me. Which would be a problem having too many. And Miller to me needs to really start using his size. I don't want to say he's completely soft, but he doesn't utilize his size and ability to play physical to it's max.
For me, Nils is definitely not ready. He needs some time to acclimate in the A.
Jones has been the best of the prospect Dmen, and while I think he actually could contribute right away and handle it, he could probably also use some time in the A.
And they both can use with some bulking up.
I honestly don't know if either make it, but definitely not both.
What makes you say that? Nils looks lost to me at times. Maybe he'd do ok offensively, but I think he'd give up more space and ultimately goals than Jones.
Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Miller get some time in the A and Jones getting his place, probably just for the first few games though.
Lundkvist to me still doesn't look ready, not defensively.
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I think we see the expected lineup of…
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundqvist
Tinordi
…to start the season.
Hartford will look something like…
Jones-Schneider
Robertson-Reunanen
Bitetto-??
…and I figure Hajek is probably traded for a fourth-ish to a team that needs depth.
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundqvist
Tinordi
…to start the season.
Hartford will look something like…
Jones-Schneider
Robertson-Reunanen
Bitetto-??
…and I figure Hajek is probably traded for a fourth-ish to a team that needs depth.
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Jones has looked good both ways. I feel Nils has struggled in his own zone a bit but looks comfortable offensively. I think Lundkvist was already ordained to be the 6th even before the preseason started. Tinordi is hot garbage. I haven no problem with Hayek being the 7th , which I know is not a popular opinion.
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He was pretty secure from Day 1 of camp given that he’s just better than Schneider.
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To be fair, this isn't unheard of. It's often discussed during contract negotiations and we saw the same with Zac Jones last season. His agent and Jones negotiated for the contract to kick in immediately, and in exchange the performance bonuses were scrapped. Of course it won't be publicly announced but Lundkvist's negotiations could very well have been steered towards getting a shot on opening night. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed a spot throughout the season of course but it's something that comes up. Jimmy Vesey had a similar discussion during his ELC negotiations.
Lundkvist, one of the top defensive prospects outside the NHL at the time, definitely had some leverage being a year away from going the UFA route.
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Simply, they made a plan and the developments weren’t quite enough to change the plan. That’s fine. Schneider and Jones definitely are on the radar now. They’ll get their shots.
The developments were that only Fox has looked better than Jones, but it never really mattered. So much for earning a spot in the pre-season.
Jones has easily been the better player. He's also been far more consistent than Lundkivst has. That's certainly not to say that Nils hasn't had some moments where he showed why he's so highly touted. You can absolutely see the skill and fluidity in his game. Still, he's had a number of moments where he's skated himself into trouble, coughed up pucks, or has been caught flat footed against the rush. He undoubtedly had his best game of the pre-season against Boston, which says a lot about his resiliency and speaks well to his ability to play against real NHL talent. Though I don't think his best effort was as good as the best we've seen from Jones in pre-season.
These last couple games should be very telling. If it was based purely on performance then Nils will have to do a lot with his opportunities to surpass Jones, or Jones will have to really struggle. Even still, I think the Nils decision feels a bit like the Kravtsov situation where the org is prepared to give them a real opportunity even if they were outplayed in camp by other young players.
These last couple games should be very telling. If it was based purely on performance then Nils will have to do a lot with his opportunities to surpass Jones, or Jones will have to really struggle. Even still, I think the Nils decision feels a bit like the Kravtsov situation where the org is prepared to give them a real opportunity even if they were outplayed in camp by other young players.
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If it was an open competition, Jones would play in Miller's spot
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There is literally no harm at all to send nils to Hartford for a couple weeks. None...
If Igor could do it for 2 months than nils can do it for a couple weeks...
If Igor could do it for 2 months than nils can do it for a couple weeks...
If this were an open competition, Schneider would still be here and Nils would have been cut, especially if Jones were to make the team.
I had Jones ahead of Nils, but Saturday night changed my opinion. Lundkvist is getting better and better.
And I agree with @Amazing Kreiderman that Miller should be the odd man out. If he makes the team, it’s seniority over performance.
And I agree with @Amazing Kreiderman that Miller should be the odd man out. If he makes the team, it’s seniority over performance.
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I feel like some fans want Nils to make the team because they’re afraid to confront what it might mean if he’s beaten by another prospect.
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I think it sends the wrong message to kids on this team that even if you were the better player, you are still not getting the nod.
I'd demand a trade if that happened.
I do not care, nor should I be expected to care about any side agreements team have with other players. If the public stance is the best players make the team, and that is proven NOT to be the case, then I have my agents demand a trade.
I expected Nils to come in an earn the nod. The fact that Jones outplayed him and may still get bent is (would be) a real dick move by the NYR's
I'd demand a trade if that happened.
I do not care, nor should I be expected to care about any side agreements team have with other players. If the public stance is the best players make the team, and that is proven NOT to be the case, then I have my agents demand a trade.
I expected Nils to come in an earn the nod. The fact that Jones outplayed him and may still get bent is (would be) a real dick move by the NYR's
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I don't think it means anything that he was outplayed by another prospect.
It happens. No shame in that at all.
go to Hartford and work your ass off and be the 1st call up.
what people are forgetting is balance.
We have Fox who is top playmaker
Jones and Nils are both high end QB guys.
The dif is Nils can really shoot the puck, which we need.
Jones has not night and day outplayed Nils which is what the Jones camp is pressing.
Has been ballpark even to date.
Again, if we admit to reality of balance including size
our D of the future projects as
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Robertson-Nils
asap, Schneider replaces Trouba
Hunter Skinner is our 7th.
If we have anough bigger guys, we can replace Lindgren w/Jones
but that means either trading Lindgren
or
making space for him as 4th line checking lw
and likely dealing someone else
Again people,
setting aside Zib,
setting aside need to create cap regardless of zib to extend Fox and be ready for next year,
we can't afford Strome long term
moving him now = relieving some pressure
but let's get on the same pg w/me
generally,
we trade vets, not blue chips
I think both player should spend 10 games in the AHL playing 25 mins a game instead of 8-12mims.. look at Miller turnovers just in preseason.. we cannot afford to lose games in the early part of the season because of frowning pains with rookies..
Also would us some time for trades or worst case scenario injuries.
