Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist to DAL for 2023 Protected 1st
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David Castillo
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When he has Nill ever targeted a prospect in a trade? Stephen Johns is the only one that comes to mind, and even though it doesn't technically count since it was part of a package, he was pretty explicit in wanting him, referring to Rockford's domination of Texas in the Calder playoffs.
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It makes sense when you get in Nill's mind. He's very 1-for-1 when it comes to roles. Lost Klingberg? Get Klingberg replacement. Instead of paying 7 mil+ pay instead in draft capital for a cost controlled player who fills the same role.
I'm skeptical that this effects Heiskanen much if at all. Lundkvist is a natural fit as Lindell's new partner. He's the Stars' Byram to Miro's Makar.
I'm skeptical that this effects Heiskanen much if at all. Lundkvist is a natural fit as Lindell's new partner. He's the Stars' Byram to Miro's Makar.
The main trade board is f***ing insufferable.
I get that we gave up a lot but Jesus the hyperbole gets old on there
I get that we gave up a lot but Jesus the hyperbole gets old on there
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Someone in the scouting department must have a huge chub for Nils to get Jimmy to go a little cray cray like this.
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It's also possible that the Stars internally don't consider the 2023 draft to be strong outside of the top 10 regardless of consensus. They're notable scouting contrarians who zig when everyone else zags.
They're also relentless optimists always in win-now mode. In the front office's minds this is a pick likely in the late teens to early 20s that they're paying to accelerate the value-delivery timeline to the present.
They're also relentless optimists always in win-now mode. In the front office's minds this is a pick likely in the late teens to early 20s that they're paying to accelerate the value-delivery timeline to the present.
Anyone have a good breakdown on this guy? 55 points over 2 seasons does not see like I would have traded a pick in this deep draft for. I see he is under 6 feet so he is not a big guy. Is he fast? Good luck moving Dman?
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After letting this sit for a bit, I'm just happy we did something exciting for once and it could end up being a really solid move. Looking forward to see how Lundkvist performs for us
Nill traded a likely mid 1st round pick (albeit in a deep draft, tough to get over that one but if Nils works out we quickly will forget about it) for a 22 year old RHD former 1st rounder with some great potential.
It's a move designed to help us offensively, in transition, and to get younger and it absolutely fills a massive hole on the defense if it works out. We are fortunate enough to be pretty deep on forward prospects and young LDs, but suddenly having Lundkvist & Kyrou in our pipeline for RD gives us a strong group of young players all around with many that will make an impact sooner than later. Not to mention we've hit pretty well with 2nd round picks lately...besides, who knows what will happen between now and the draft. Plenty of time to try and get back into the first round, and worst-case scenario if we do start to fall in the standings you can bet we will get a nice return for Pavelski (and perhaps even Hintz?), while still retaining that top 10 protection just in case.
Also even though we gave up a lot, we just got a young high potential RD former 1st round pick without giving up one of our big forward prospects. Looks a little nicer when you look at it that way. Of course, we could've just drafted one next year but with the range they've limited the pick to that guy would be years away.
Nill traded a likely mid 1st round pick (albeit in a deep draft, tough to get over that one but if Nils works out we quickly will forget about it) for a 22 year old RHD former 1st rounder with some great potential.
It's a move designed to help us offensively, in transition, and to get younger and it absolutely fills a massive hole on the defense if it works out. We are fortunate enough to be pretty deep on forward prospects and young LDs, but suddenly having Lundkvist & Kyrou in our pipeline for RD gives us a strong group of young players all around with many that will make an impact sooner than later. Not to mention we've hit pretty well with 2nd round picks lately...besides, who knows what will happen between now and the draft. Plenty of time to try and get back into the first round, and worst-case scenario if we do start to fall in the standings you can bet we will get a nice return for Pavelski (and perhaps even Hintz?), while still retaining that top 10 protection just in case.
Also even though we gave up a lot, we just got a young high potential RD former 1st round pick without giving up one of our big forward prospects. Looks a little nicer when you look at it that way. Of course, we could've just drafted one next year but with the range they've limited the pick to that guy would be years away.
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Troy McClure
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That's because much of HF puts more value in draft picks than any NHL employee does.
Nill is under orders to try to win now. A mid first round 2023 draft pick is a guy who won't be contributing to the team until 2027 most likely. Nill has previously been reluctant to trade first round picks, but he also saw a huge hole open up when Klingberg left, which put a new pressure on Nill to do something to address the need.
Rangers fan chiming in.
There is no doubt we won this trade because of the 2023 draft strength, but Nils is a very underrated prospect. He had one of the best seasons U20 seasons in Sweden ever before coming over. He was paired cinderblock Nemeth early in the year and didn’t see PP time. He was solid again down the stretch in the AHL. There’s no room for him in New York with Fox and Trouba. Schneider is a better all around prospect but it’s close.
Expect a really smart game, 40-50 points, and solid positional D in the long run. You got a future middle pairing guy in the near future.
There is no doubt we won this trade because of the 2023 draft strength, but Nils is a very underrated prospect. He had one of the best seasons U20 seasons in Sweden ever before coming over. He was paired cinderblock Nemeth early in the year and didn’t see PP time. He was solid again down the stretch in the AHL. There’s no room for him in New York with Fox and Trouba. Schneider is a better all around prospect but it’s close.
Expect a really smart game, 40-50 points, and solid positional D in the long run. You got a future middle pairing guy in the near future.
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The reason the main boards is upset is because that 1st round pick is a 1 C or 1 D in their mind.. not Honka or Gurianov or Dellandrea.
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Yep.
Fans in general are slow to understand the value climate of the league.
The Stars have obviously made a talent evaluation on Lundkvist that he can be a #4 defenseman with heavy PP presence as soon as this season. If they are correct then his sub-1 million dollar cap hit (for 2 more seasons!) is worth its weight in gold and has already paid for the value sent to NYR. And by all accounts his talent is not in doubt.
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“Nils is a skilled, right-handed shot defenseman that adjusted to the North American game this past season and has a high ceiling,” Stars general manager Jim Nill said in a statement. “We felt that adding a creative player like Nils to our defensive group was necessary, and he has a tremendous opportunity to establish himself as an everyday impact defenseman at the NHL level.”
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Nils will get a great opportunity to succeed given the 1st round pick they paid and they don't want to look bad. I would have rather seen him go elsewhere where there might have been a #1 powerplay dman opportunity down the line but I doubt that ever happens with Heiskanen there. It just depends on where Dallas finishes whether 1st round is too much probably, if they make the playoffs ,then the pick isn't that bad.
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Definitely didn’t see this coming, but I was hoping we could trade for Lundkvist, just not giving up a first
Only time will tell if it was worth it giving up a first in what looks like a solid draft, but I’m really happy to see Nill trade for a younger player with potential, instead of giving up a 2nd for some 37 year old Dman
Excited to see him play for us
Only time will tell if it was worth it giving up a first in what looks like a solid draft, but I’m really happy to see Nill trade for a younger player with potential, instead of giving up a 2nd for some 37 year old Dman
Excited to see him play for us
Regarding Robertson- I don’t think Nill, careful as he is is, does this deal and messes with his cap if he’s not sure either A) the deal is really close or B) he’s got a deal to move money ready.
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I'm definitely starting to wonder if there is a very real, likely possibility that Thomas Harley gets the Jake Oettinger treatment. Jake likely should never have played in the AHL last season, but the cap and contracts dictated that he start there. Harley is a year younger than Lundkvist, and it's not honestly entirely similar to the Oettinger situation. Jake played fairly well and was easily the better option. Harley had some good games, some OK games, and some bad games. The only reason he seemed like a lock for the roster was his draft status and a big need that now can also be filled by Lundkvist.
I still don't agree that Dallas is down on Harley and this trade is any indication of that, but I do agree with you that Nill doesn't back himself in a corner ever, and we know he'll gladly put a guy in the AHL even if they're for sure ready or just potentially ready. Harley absolutely wouldn't be hurt by more AHL time, and now you have two quality puck movers in the pipeline that are close to NHL-ready rather than one.
The math even suggests that Harley is likely destined for the AHL.
Much of what Nill said recently ... hell the fact he was even willing to talk about negotiations, suggests that both sides were close. If anything, now that we know this deal was in the works, it honestly makes sense that they may have been waiting to see what happened here before moving forward.
Why? Those assets would have likely been needed to shed salary to sign Robertson to a long-term deal. We already knew a long-term deal was unlikely, but moving salary meant it was on the table. You can't pay assets, likely at minimum a 2nd in 2023, when you've already lost your 1st rounder. A long-term deal virtually has to be considered impossible now.
This further moves the negotiation towards resolution. Both sides understand there's only a bridge deal to be made. They have more than enough money to do that by carrying 13 forwards and 7 D (Harley in the AHL).
I don't think Blumel will be the rookie to make the team, but he has the highest salary of the ELC's. That's why I used his number. I assume the 13th forward would be one of the league minimum guys like Studenic or Olfosson.
I would not be shocked to see a 3-year extension in the $7.5 million range announced tomorrow now that this business is behind Dallas.
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Giving up a 1st in a deep draft for Swedish Julius Honka does not have me enthused. I would love to be wrong, but this looks like a mostly shit offseason, starting with his terrible coaching hire (I don't care if DeBoer is actually a good coach, he's a shitty person, and I can't root for him after the way he treated Lehner).
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I don’t like this trade one bit. The price is far to high for a guy that had a poor season and requested a trade. The fit is not great. I see Heiskanen and Harley as the better offensive defensemen long term which likely puts Nils on the third pair.
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Not neccessarily . Team had more left handers than righties and Harley is still waivers exempt or they can still waive Hanley and send him down i guess.
It's a trade for an RHD with upside but at quite a steep price. Someone at the scouting department and/or analytics must really like the guy.
