Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist to DAL for 2023 Protected 1st

[Captain Awesome]

If we’re gonna give Nill shit for not going for it, we can’t also give him shit for going for it. Then we’re just giving him shit to give him shit. Shitnomics 101

I mean, we all know shitflation is out of control at the moment.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

And, while not a perfect parallel, I recall the Mavs bringing in Steve Nash for a first round pick and a few other players. At the time, Nash was a second string guard for the Suns, but had potential that the Mavs saw as an eventual starter. It took him two years to show his All Star form, but it was a great trade for the Mavs.

I guess my point is, if we now think the scouting staff now has a good eye for talent, we have to presume that they had been scouting the prospects of other teams and had them ranked, regardless of early play or what HF thinks, and they see NL being a starter in a bad position. I think one scout is actually dedicated to scouting other teams prospects just in case a trade opportunity comes up. I think I would give Nill and the scouts more credit for seeing something that the average fan on HF boards sees.

All that said, yes, we have to hope it all works out for the best. No guarantees in anything related to sports. or life.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Majority of the people getting mad about Nill trading our first are the same people who get mad at who Nill picks with our first rounders lol

I’m fine with Nill taking a chance on a young RHD, who’s got potential and is/close to being NHL ready. We lost Klinger and Nill is taking a chance on replacing him

Let’s wait and see what happens

 

[Troy McClure]

I think Lundkvist is going to be a good one.

And good is enough. Way too many people act like any prospect traded for a first round pick has to become an All Star for a trade to be a win. Good should be the expected ceiling for dudes drafted in the back half of the first round. Guys like Barzal are the exception not the expectation.

 

[masinaLFC]

I hate this trade...

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Rangers fan here coming in peace.

Stay off the mainboards, toxic idiots there.

Nils is a very promising defenceman. He got handcuffed with literally one of the worst defenders in the league in Nemeth. Nemeth this previous season was at best an AHL defenseman. So Nils didn't get a good chance to stand out too be honest.

He's a very good d-man (See below). I think and I hope that he'll do great for you guys.

He was buried behind arguably the deepest RD side in the NHL. He would never get a legit chance to become the player he has the potential to become with us.

He needs to be in the top 4 and get PP time on the first unit, and he was never going to get that with Fox on the team. Instead he played with Nemeth who took awful penalties, who pinched like a blind man and who has the hands and hockey-IQ of a rock.



SEASON
AWARDS BY SEASON

• 2016-2017
  • J18 Elit (North) Most Assists by Defenseman (15)
• 2017-2018
  • J20 SuperElit Best Defenseman
  • U18 WJC Bronze Medal
• 2019-2020
  • SHL Best Junior (EliteProspects.com Award)
  • SHL Most Assists by Junior (20)
  • SHL Most Points by Junior (31)
  • U20 WJC Bronze Medal
• 2020-2021
  • SHL Most Goals by Defenseman (14)
  • Swedish Defenseman of the Year (Salming Trophy)
  • World Championship Most Assists by Defenseman (5)

 

[jballa95]

A year ago Lundkvist was a very highly regarded prospect. He was voted by HFboards as the 15th best drafted prospect in 2021's top 50 prospects. While you should obviously take those rankings with a grain of salt, I think it provides some context to the quality of the player coming out of the SHL (read CaptainCally's post above). He was pushed down the depth chart in NY due to their depth on the right side (and had to play with Nemeth). It was also his first season on North American ice.

We'll have to wait and see whether giving up a 1st for him was worth it, or whether he can be a top-4 defenseman. But he is not a nobody prospect/player.

 

[serp]

 

[account deactivated]

That's it. Saad is officially on my shit list.

Between this and Nill passing on all the Finns in the past draft, I'm getting tired of this slander.

 

[Frozen Failure]

I like this trade.

Dallas gets a young guy who can grow with the new core of talent coming where there really isn't anything else on the future blueline that doesn't rhyme with Pie Cannon.

 

[Troy McClure]

The Stars fans who all convinced themselves Klingberg sucked because he'd turn the puck over every now and then while trying to create magic are going to be so ready to transfer their hatred to Lundkvist.

 

[hairylikebear]

Nill got a 4 year advance on his 2023 1st because he's not going to be around long enough to spend that money. Kind of like when he traded the 2020 2nd round pick in 2017 for Marc Methot - and that pick still isn't an NHL player, although he does look somewhat promising (Egor Sokolov).

It's never a bad trade when you get a good young player back, but it's still bad value.

 

[ElGuapo]

I guess I disagree that we had a realistic chance at the cup. I'd agree that draft picks are oftentimes overvalued but I see it more as getting some value instead of none for a player leaving. That being said us making the playoffs weren't valueless (e.g. playoffs revenue and experience are both important for the franchise.) However, I'm not sure how quantify that value vs. a draft pick. So I'd rather we traded Klingberg for for a draft pick then later made this trade. I admit that's and easy position to have in hindsight.

Edit: also I'm casually optimistic for this trade. Maybe it will go to shit but that's the risks you alwsys take when you trade for an unproven player (or even proven ones).

If you make the playoffs in the NHL you have a realistic chance at the Cup.

 

[LT]

I like this.

It's Nill rewarding himself for the amazing forward drafting we've had recently.

He's trying to consolidate a strong core that is all around the same age. Nils is right around the age of Miro, Robo, Otter, etc.

Like a few above have said, a 2023 pick would probably be, at best, on the roster by 2025. Most likely 2027. By then you're looking at the current core pushing 30.

This is a hunch, too, but I imagine the pick would likely be another forward who we probably wouldn't have room for. If it were a defender, then go ahead and push the expectations to 2028 for an NHL impact. Not helpful. Look at the roster from 5 years ago and compare it to today.

Nils is also a very highly touted prospect, as the Rangers' fans have said. He's just in an unfortunate circumstance. Even after Johnston's incredible year, he's still barely cracking the top 20 on most people's top prospect lists. Nils, last year, was quite consistently in the top 20. He's legit.

Picks are the most overrated asset by fans. As long as you're not selling off every single 1st rounder for years (like TB, COL are now - for good reason, obviously), moving one isn't gonna hurt. Especially for another prospect who, in a redraft, would be a mid to high first round pick anyway.

This trade has me excited, honestly. The pieces are falling into place. This team has been on the edge of greatness for awhile, and I will never be upset at trading magic beans for something we can use now, especially something we need.

 

[LT]

What are we looking at defense-wise now?

Heiskanen - Hakanpaa
Lindell - Lundkvist
Suter - Miller
Harley, Hanley

?

Don't like Jani on the top pairing, but I don't really know where else he could go.

 

[Elysian]

I wouldn't be shocked if Miller or Hanley wound up in the AHL, and they should theoretically both be #7 if they're in the NHL.

 

[Satan]

I wouldn't be shocked if Miller or Hanley wound up in the AHL, and they should theoretically both be #7 if they're in the NHL.

I think Harley's biting the dust to the AHL and Hanley is the 7D.

I also have Miller ahead of Hakanpaa.

 

[M88K]

Do you have the power ball numbers too??

Nah I play the odds.
What are the odds that Vegas has the same number of injuries?
What are the odds that dallas stays healthy most of the year?
What are the odds that Suter, Benn, Seguin don't regress even more?
What are the odds that Pavelski puts up another career year and doesn't regress himself?
What are the odds that Wedgewood can be a solid backup for more than just 5-10 games?
What are the odds that Oettinger can repeat his PO play?
What are the odds that with worse personnel the dcore can do better?

That's too many things that have to go right for the team to even finish where they did last year, let alone improve.
So yeah they could finish better, odds are they missing the PO, which puts them 11-16, maybe they'll get lucky and it's pick 18 again, but a lot has to go right for that too happen

 

[BfantZ]

Nah I play the odds.
What are the odds that Vegas has the same number of injuries?
What are the odds that dallas stays healthy most of the year?
What are the odds that Suter, Benn, Seguin don't regress even more?
What are the odds that Pavelski puts up another career year and doesn't regress himself?
What are the odds that Wedgewood can be a solid backup for more than just 5-10 games?
What are the odds that Oettinger can repeat his PO play?
What are the odds that with worse personnel the dcore can do better?

That's too many things that have to go right for the team to even finish where they did last year, let alone improve.
So yeah they could finish better, odds are they missing the PO, which puts them 11-16, maybe they'll get lucky and it's pick 18 again, but a lot has to go right for that too happen

Pick 11 would suck .

 

[LT]

It's the usual for expectations for me. A vast majority of teams can pose a similar list of questions and argue about their odds. They're mostly all gonna come down to right around 50%.

There are a handful of teams that are playoff locks and legitimate contenders. Tampa, Colorado, Carolina, New York R., and Toronto is who'd I'd put in there, there's a bit of variance though.

Then there are the shitters. Arizona, Philly, Montreal, Chicago, probably Seattle, a couple others. These teams would need a miracle run just to make the playoffs.

Everyone else - including Dallas - falls into the middle category. The 20 or so teams in the middle are fighting for ~10 playoff spots, and parity is higher than it has ever been. A few goals, shots, even inches can be the difference between making the playoffs and missing. It's pretty much a coin flip for most of these teams, I'd argue.

As the season progresses, the middle group will probably shrink with a couple moving up and a handful moving down.

The whole point of success is to get into the contenders group for an extended period. Dallas has been close but never really there. Right now I think we're closer than we've been since 2018, mostly because of the potential many of our assets possess. Obviously they have to hit that, but we have a lot of very strong youth already on the roster, and a deeper prospect pool than most of us have ever seen.

To keep it on topic, I think this trade pushes us closer to that group now and for the next few years than even a top 15 pick from 2023 would. Which is why I like it.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Nill was just stoked that his name is Nils

 

[Magic Mittens]

His first NHL goal. Nice shot and nice fall after Comeau style

 

[David Castillo]

Nils is also a very highly touted prospect, as the Rangers' fans have said. He's just in an unfortunate circumstance. Even after Johnston's incredible year, he's still barely cracking the top 20 on most people's top prospect lists. Nils, last year, was quite consistently in the top 20. He's legit.

Picks are the most overrated asset by fans.

The only thing more overrated than fan opinion of assets is fan opinion of depth. You think NYR wouldn't happily trade Trouba's $8M if it meant Fox, Schneider, and Lundkvist on their right side at the cost of having an actual second line center (I like Trocheck but he only used to be that; I like Trouba too but he's not half as good as Don Cherry fans think he is). Shesterkin's gonna make even the weakest bluelines look good. Remember when Columbus didn't have room for DuClair; Calgary for Bennett; Tampa for Verhaeghe; or when Anaheim drew up their expansion gameplan with a stick of glue and macaroni shells to gave up Shea f'ing Theodore because they still had donks like Clayton Stoner on their payroll. (Minnesota too...giving up Alex Tuch for a handshake).

Every team has a grocery list of replacement level players they don't have mind enough to aggressively get rid of, and every year, a young player benefits with an elevated role elsewhere. I'm still not sure if I like this move more because it's so anti-Nill and that's exciting, or because I actually believe in Lundkvist, but prospects like this (a 22-year old prospect who broke the record for under-20 SHL defenseman scoring no less) are usually traded after they crap the pro bed. Count me in as a fan. Especially when NYR regrets it.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I wouldn't be shocked if Miller or Hanley wound up in the AHL, and they should theoretically both be #7 if they're in the NHL.

Miller in the AHL?

Come on now.. thats a horrid take.

 

[BrettHullsToe]

There's no need to make your team worse and accumulate magic beans when you're in a position to make the playoffs.

The Blues disagree, and ultimately won a Cup thanks to the return from trading Shattenkirk while in a playoff spot.