Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist to DAL for 2023 Protected 1st

[Kcb12345]

Stars are also giving up a conditional 2025 4th round pick too on top of the 1st

 

[MrHeiskanen]

After reading some Derek tweets from Traverse, I don't think he is that smart.

 

[starsfan86]

I did want to acquire him but not really for a 1st. I was hoping for Dellandrea. Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.

 

[BG44]

I can't imagine the plan would be for Heiskanen, Harley, or Lundkvist to get extended time on the same pair. Lundqvist isn't Klingberg, but we already know that Suter and Klingberg didn't work. I don't think it'd be entirely shocking though to think, like Klingberg, Lundkvist would be a reasonable partner for Lindell.

I'm kind of wondering if this virtually guarantees that Suter is still with Heiskanen.

 

[Kcb12345]

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Looks good to me, see what happens.

1st round picks are highly overrated, Faksa, Honka, Glennie, Campbell, Dellandrea, Tufte, Gurianov etc. were all first round picks. Not really concerning losing a player of that stature.

If you are a team that year over year is drafting top 10.. then I would have more concerns but Dallas never is in that position we always pick 12-20.

 

[MBTendy]

 

[Satan]

Looks good to me, see what happens.

1st round picks are highly overrated, Faksa, Honka, Glennie, Campbell, Dellandrea, Tufte, Gurianov etc. were all first round picks. Not really concerning losing a player of that stature.

I agree- When you step back and look at the big picture, drafting a guy like Nils in the first isn't easy.

The front office clearly had a RHD climax this offseason. This was the climax.

 

[BG44]

Corey Pronman ranked Lundkvist #91 recently for the top players Under 23. He said his size and physicality are a concern, but he believes he could be a Top 4 defender in time. He also said his skating, puck moving, and point shot were all positives, but he'll need to carve out an offensive role.

Pronman had Harley ranked as Dallas' best prospect followed by Johnston, Stankoven, and Bourque all ahead of Lundkvist. Only Bichsel was on the list behind him.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Nils Plissken

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[BG44]

 

[Troy McClure]

I rarely disagree with Derek, but I can't imagine even an NHL GM (and we all know they are capable of idiotic decisions) giving up a 1st round pick + for a 7th defender. Your owner and presumably Nill himself believe this is a playoff team. That's all they care about. They're not giving up a 1st round pick right now for 2 or 3 years down the line. They're expecting that kid to play immediately and play well.

I think this trade tells you what Nill thinks of the d-men on the roster. You don't make a trade like this for a guy you'll bury as the #7 d-man. He's probably leaping right onto a PP spot and to second pair minutes.

I know first round picks have good value, but the Stars think of themselves as playoff bound again. Nill is seeing this as giving up a first rounder in the back half of the round for a guy he also clearly thinks is ahead of Harley.

 

[BG44]

It would be a disappointment IMO if Lundkvist failed to meet the 2nd condition to push that pick to a 3rd rounder. You're only talking about a 27 to 28-point pace for a guy that should be getting PP time. If you give up a 1st rounder for less than that production, that's a bummer.

 

[BG44]

I think this trade tells you what Nill thinks of the d-men on the roster. You don't make a trade like this for a guy you'll bury as the #7 d-man. He's probably leaping right onto a PP spot and to second pair minutes.

I know first round picks have good value, but the Stars think of themselves as playoff bound again. Nill is seeing this as giving up a first rounder in the back half of the round for a guy he also clearly thinks is ahead of Harley.

I agree with everything but the last sentence. I think the value Nill gave up has much more to do with his importance placed on right-shot defenders than them not valuing or being low/lower on Harley. My guess is he views both Harley and Lundkvist as integral parts of a successful season. They have no puck movers behind Heiskanen if those two struggle.

I just don't think the trade really says anything about Harley especially since this is the 2nd summer in Nill's tenure that he went RD crazy.

 

[Zapp]

Wtf just happened

 

[Troy McClure]

I agree with everything but the last sentence. I think the value Nill gave up has much more to do with his importance placed on right-shot defenders than them not valuing or being low/lower on Harley. My guess is he views both Harley and Lundkvist as integral parts of a successful season. They have no puck movers behind Heiskanen if those two struggle.

I just don't think the trade really says anything about Harley especially since this is the 2nd summer in Nill's tenure that he went RD crazy.

I think if they went into this season expecting Harley to take a massive leap in production, they don't make this trade. That's why I think it says something about Harley. Same reason they were trying to get in on the Burns trade as well.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I like it, based on what I have read of his potential. Is the first a bit steep? Maybe but if a bottom feeder offered a second, which could turn out to be pick 33-40 they had to offer what they thought was going to be a low first. Basically, instead of waiting 3-4 years for a young talent to develop (if they do) they jumpstart the process of redeveloping the D with more certainty than a draft pick (key word, more...not guaranteed)

The D was going to be crap, and still may be, but I feel a little better about it. Nill has a shortage of NHL ready D prospects and actual quality NHL D men. It was a pretty big need and I am sure NYR saw that as well. He paid a price for a young up and comer vs. a proven vet, which we would have also complained about.

I feel like the D will be shaky until at least Xmas and then get better as they get acclimated. Add in Grush and Bich over the next two years and we see what the Stars D of the future will look like.

 

[The Tourist]

Price seems a bit high. I guess Nill really wanted someone who can transition the puck on every d pair.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Steep price for a guy forcing a trade

 

[Troy McClure]

I like it, based on what I have read of his potential. Is the first a bit steep? Maybe but if a bottom feeder offered a second, which could turn out to be pick 33-40 they had to offer what they thought was going to be a low first. Basically, instead of waiting 3-4 years for a young talent to develop (if they do) they jumpstart the process of redeveloping the D with more certainty than a draft pick (key word, more...not guaranteed)

The D was going to be crap, and still may be, but I feel a little better about it. Nill has a shortage of NHL ready D prospects and actual quality NHL D men. It was a pretty big need and I am sure NYR saw that as well. He paid a price for a young up and comer vs. a proven vet, which we would have also complained about.

I feel like the D will be shaky until at least Xmas and then get better as they get acclimated. Add in Grush and Bich over the next two years and we see what the Stars D of the future will look like.

The D is going to be very interesting. Rolling out two guys who are still essentially rookies is very un-Nill like for the defense.

 

[BG44]

Price seems a bit high. I guess Nill really wanted someone who can transition the puck on every d pair.

They had no way of knowing they could pull this trade-off during free agency, BUT ... man that Miller contract hurts. Robo deal is done right now without that move, and it's more than plausible you'd have had enough to go long-term.

I'm not saying they are wrong. They needed a D. I bet even they would say off record though now that the Miller signing is made unnecessary by this trade, and they're still trying to make money work. It sucks that's the way life works at times. That's something I bet they could have back now.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

Loss on the trade value front but I don't totally hate it. Wish they didn't sign Colin Miller now, seems like a bit of a waste.

 

[BG44]

The paparazzi in Dallas are relentless. They've already got shots of Nill on his way to the airport to pick up Nils.

 

[piqued]