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Get it done already.
Except Nils is way better than Joey Keane and will therefore demand a way better return than Julien Gauthier.
The org is stupid, so probably.
Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist Requests Trade
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Get it done already.
Except Nils is way better than Joey Keane and will therefore demand a way better return than Julien Gauthier.
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LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I wanted him traded earlier.
You did too. (Diff reasons)
My opinion is that either way, its worse now. "He sucks". ok. Shouldve been traded sooner
My opinion he doesnt suck but he's not close to what we drafted him thinking he was. Should've tradd him sooner.
ADA - good d for what he is, overstayed here. Shouldve traded him sooner.
Buch - Dman good hockey player after YEARS of us developing him. Shouldve traded him soon.
Miller - threw him in a trade and became worth 7/8 to VAN
SHITTY ASSET MANAGEMENT
If he wants to be traded (understandable) he should commit himself to playing his ass off in Hartford to make himself a more attractive trade target for other teams.
RickChartraw
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Man, I'd go San Diego in a heartbeat with those options you put out.
No actually they cannot simultaneously exist. You cannot claim something stinks in NY as if all is so bad here and then say ‘hey actually, its not that bad we have just had some things not pan out’ as in like with every organization.
As someone else said, when you accumulate this many 1st round picks, some are not going to make it and some are just going to be blocked. You are dealing with immature young kids who all have something to prove and have a bit of an ego to them. And when they “feel” they are ready by their own standards, but not NHL standards or even who their competition is, they get frustrated and want a fresh start somewhere with a better opportunity.
You want to be angry? Go for it? But don’t spread the misleading BS notion that this organization is a problem.
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Actually he far exceeded his draft position in Sweden. Most end of first round picks don’t make it at all. Nils developed really well. But he was only ok in NA last season. My guess is he’s going to get better this year wherever he plays. And he will likely play more NHL games and could still turn into a long term NHLer. He’s a smart kid. Time will tell. But to say he’s been worse than what was expected when we drafted him is just factually incorrect. He was considered a diamond in the rough and some draft experts thought he was a reach.
If the Rangers can get one of the players from the World Juniors for Lundkvist?
Habs trade Jan Mysak and Michael Pezzetta to Rangers for Lundkvist and Gauthier
Habs trade Jan Mysak and Michael Pezzetta to Rangers for Lundkvist and Gauthier
Casper The Soy Ghost
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It sucks but he's buried behind an insane depth, so I get it.
Trade him for pick(s) or a C prospect please. We do not need more D or W prospects.
Trade him for pick(s) or a C prospect please. We do not need more D or W prospects.
Dude will never be a full-time NHLer, he's shit.
Casper The Soy Ghost
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Fox and Trouba are set. Schneider is a big, physical young D, he's not getting moved. So that leaves the 3rd LD spot open for contention. Which he has Jones and Robertson as competition. And as we all know NHL coaches and management are all dinosaurs. You very, very rarely see a D play on his off-side.
Lundkvist made a sensible decision in asking for a trade. Even though it sucks, I get it. Let's hope we can get a nice C prospect in return (or draft pick(s). We do not need more D or W prospects.
Sounds interesting.
For someone who's never been to either places. What are the differences between Hartford and the Meadowlands?
I live in Sweden, hence my question haha.
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He would've gotten one if we traded (which we had no reasons to do) before we gave him a shot in the NHL.
Now he got demoted to the AHL and this trade request has leaked out, which will hurt Drury's ability to negotiate a nice trade for us. And he hasn't exactly been great at trades so far.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
That’s fair. I actually listen to the folks on this board about the kids because I don’t have time to follow them watching games they play (in juniors or abroad etc)
I watched him close up in Tampa and wasn’t impressed nor was I down on him.
My pt remains that waiting for one of these kids to “demand” a trade, tanks their value
This org has terrible asset management and no one can point to an example otherwise.
Plenty of examples of poor management tho. Buyouts would be where I start.
Who has more buyouts than the NYR?
GENESISPuck94
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The Meadowlands is right across the Hudson River from New York City. It's where Metlife Stadium is (Giants and Jets). Izod Center (the arena) is where the Devils and Nets used to play. American Dream Mall, which is now one of the largest malls in the USA, was built around the arena. After the Devils moved to Newark the arena was used to store props and stuff for plays if I remember correctly, now it hosts MMA from time to time? Basically it's not being used to its full potential from my understanding. It went from an NHL and NBA arena to an after thought. When the Devils and Nets were there the complaint was it was a pain to get there unless you could drive. No train lines or anything could take you there. But now there's a gigantic mall built around it so there's more of an attraction to the area beyond sports. The only caveat is other than that you're surrounded by highways and swamps. There's also a horse race track there.
Hartford, it's not that it isn't nice in areas, it's just not exactly where a teenager or 20-21 year old would say is a desirable destination in the middle of winter. One thing people not from the tri-state area or north east don't realize is how bad the winter weather is here. It snows, it's freezing, and it's gloomy. In a city like New York City it's not as bad to deal with because there's so much to see and do if you have the money.
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If we have to move Lundkvist ($925K), might as well get Motte signed. Trade Lundkvist+ for a 1st in next year's draft. It's a strong one and it's close to the only option at this point.
The Rangers weren't getting a 1st. Hill brought back a 2nd in the Arizona-SJ trade last summer and he was traded for a 4th last week.
Would you rather have the 43rd pick in the draft or two 3rds and one fifth? Hill went for the 43rd pick in 2022.
Hill and a 7th in 22 for 2nd in 22(43rd) and Korenar.
The Rangers have been trying to trade Lundkvist for a while. Other teams know that. They don't need Larry Brooks to tell them. Drury tried to acquire Miller last winter. Lundkvist was in the trade. The Canucks wanted Schneider. The Rangers could have probably traded Lundkvist for a player similar to Mark Stone because Vegas traded Brannstrom for Stone and Vegas re-signed Stone. Someone like Lehkonen in Montreal. Very good player. The Rangers couldn't afford his current contract. $4.5M. He were discussing Lehkonen here last week. We thought he would get $3.5M. He got $1M more. The Rangers probably could have moved Lundkvist for Lehkonen. The Rangers can't afford the player.
Drury can't take on any money.
Lundkvist can be buried so his contract doesn’t save cap space to sign Motte
Could put Reaves a Lundkvist to create space but I doubt Reaves goes
Does SJ W Grier have any good young entry level F?
FLA did is thin too. I’d deal Chytil and Lundkvist for Lundell but it’s a pipe dream lol
For sure. Facts are, Nils had a pretty miserable stint in the NHL. Jittery and no confidence.
Due to him being poised and experienced, he still survived and didn’t cost us a ton of games. But he didn’t play up to his potential.
I hope this is a situation where he still can acknowledge that he hasn’t reached the end of the road in any way shape or form. He can take another step in the AHL and there will be injuries during the season and he has yet to play a game he is capable of in the NHL.
I mean, I can understand him. Are there other depth charts around the NHL that looks more favorable for Nils? Of course. The best for his career is probably if one of those team trades for him. He requested a trade? Understandable, could be the right move for him if it can be obeyed.
BUT if Dru can’t facilitate a trade, I definitely also think that it’s the right decision by Nils to keep fighting starting in HFD. JMHO.
Brainstorm is on the verge of busting. Ottawa is likely interested.
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Stop being such a fan boy
It’s 100% Nils and it’s the right move for him and the team.
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I believe its fair, Ottawa fans insist not. And they have an RD pipeline
Comparable arcs, pedigrees, upside, balanced game
But i think best team/player fit may be Mysak, Habs need RD. Multiplayer deal if Gorts still believes in change of scenery guys like Gauth, Getts, Hajek, or if he'd want guy like Henriksson to backfill their C pipeline Or maybe the GM wants his son's rights...
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This is very disappointing but not totally unexpected.
There was a very real problem when Gorton was GM with a lot of his picks or prospects being headcases whether asking out like Gropp, Andersson, Zbrovsky, Stromwall, a headcase like Kovacs, or recent drama with first rounders.
I've said it a million times but this team needs to hire a sports psychologist and make them a critical part of the drafting process. You need to draft players who can handle NY and also adversity. There are a series of questions and tests that can help assess this. People in corporations are government positions have this resource all the time. It's not uncommon and doesn't count against the cap.
Also yes Hartford is kind of a crappy city, but it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere. It's not Iowa where the next C-tier city is 250 miles away. Boston, New Haven, New York are all within proximity. The infrastructure needs some beefing up to make it a little more desirable. Maybe a better gym or game room or just an atmosphere where the players can watch film, relax, etc. Hire a team handler.
Now onto the next problem: stay away from Claude Lemeiux clients. Something's been off with his dealings since Brendan was here. Headcase.
Now onto trade partners: I'd be willing to add like a second or even another prospect like Henrikson or Skinner if the Rangers could get back a legit center prospect. Not someone who is going to set the world on fire but someone decent with upside who can basically replace Chytil next offseason if it comes to that and be more of a traditional center. Dallas is a good option, Stranges? Dellandria? Someone who Lilles and crew have identified.
There was a very real problem when Gorton was GM with a lot of his picks or prospects being headcases whether asking out like Gropp, Andersson, Zbrovsky, Stromwall, a headcase like Kovacs, or recent drama with first rounders.
I've said it a million times but this team needs to hire a sports psychologist and make them a critical part of the drafting process. You need to draft players who can handle NY and also adversity. There are a series of questions and tests that can help assess this. People in corporations are government positions have this resource all the time. It's not uncommon and doesn't count against the cap.
Also yes Hartford is kind of a crappy city, but it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere. It's not Iowa where the next C-tier city is 250 miles away. Boston, New Haven, New York are all within proximity. The infrastructure needs some beefing up to make it a little more desirable. Maybe a better gym or game room or just an atmosphere where the players can watch film, relax, etc. Hire a team handler.
Now onto the next problem: stay away from Claude Lemeiux clients. Something's been off with his dealings since Brendan was here. Headcase.
Now onto trade partners: I'd be willing to add like a second or even another prospect like Henrikson or Skinner if the Rangers could get back a legit center prospect. Not someone who is going to set the world on fire but someone decent with upside who can basically replace Chytil next offseason if it comes to that and be more of a traditional center. Dallas is a good option, Stranges? Dellandria? Someone who Lilles and crew have identified.
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While I wholeheartedly agree that it's beyond frustrating that so many of these kids have requested trades, I think the Nils situation is a bit more understandable and not entirely related to situations like VK and LA.
I'm not going to rehash VK and LA, only to say that perhaps there is some validity to the organization at some point overpromising roles in North America once the kids come over. And it's possible that HFD has a negative reputation amongst prospects -- that is not proven at all though. I
With Nils, it's important to look back at the timeline.
Since Nils was drafted, two major things changed. Adam Fox ascended to the #1PP, #1 RD spot. Braden Schneider was drafted. Nils had a great season in the SHL the season following the Schneider draft. He officially becomes our #1 prospect not in the NHL.
After Nils' stellar SHL season, we know a few things.
1 - Nils has a legit shot against Schneider for that last RD role in the NHL.
2 - The Rangers are looking to land another top 6 center. Eichel rumors persist the entire summer. Other names come up like Matt Tkachuk. Nils is rumored in pretty much all of these trades. While we don't if that's the case for sure, it's reasonable to think Nils or other young D are being offered up. So, from an asset management standpoint, the Rangers were trying to maximize Nils' value last summer.
But none of those trades materialized. It happens. But at that point, the idea that Nils could have been traded for a similar highly touted prospect is a fantasy. Prospect swaps are almost exclusively the Gauthier/Keane kind. Teams are loathe to give up on their own top prospects. So, the focus was on packaging Nils for a massive upgrade on the NHL roster. Didn't happen.
3 - Nils comes to camp and is essentially gifted the #3 RD spot. He did not outplay Jones or Schneider in camp. But it was clear they were force feeding Nils into the NHL because Nils had likely already made it clear (possibly when he signed his ELC) that he was not interested in toiling away in Hartford. And that he was also concerned about getting buried on the depth chart. Rangers likely promised him some sort of first shot to grab the 3RD. That said, when the season started, NL was clearly not ready. Nemeth surely didn't help. But Nemeth was brought in SPECIFICALLY FOR Nils. It wasn't the right move - clearly. But the Rangers were trying to do right by Nils from the get go. Nils played 25 games in the NHL to start last season. It was clear he should be sent down pretty much the entire time. He needed to get adjusted to NA game. He wasn't ready. But the Rangers showed him faaaaar more patience than Zac Jones. Again, bending over backward as a good faith effort to Nils.
4. When Nils finally gets sent down, there were these subtle rumblings that were mentioned in passing on podcasts and the like that suggested Nils had expressed his desire to not remain in HFD. The trade request likely happened somewhat soon in his tenure in HFD. But Nils is not a quitter,. He didn't run home. He stayed and played out the year. Likely fairly unhappy the whole time. And hopefully that didn't rub his teammates the wrong way. Regardless, at this time, Drury likely made some inquiries to see if there were any prospect for prospect trades, but I bet they were ALL selling low at that point. (as they would have been over last summer as well!)
5. Once Schneider comes up, its clear pretty quickly that at least for last season, he has surpassed Nils on the depth chart.
6. At that point, Rangers are officially in a tough spot. There are not great options to trade Nils. They ask Nils to keep things quiet. Give us some time. Maybe other options will materialize at the deadline or at the draft. Nils says ok, not happy with this, but okay. You've been upfront with me. You've invested a lot in me. I'll chill... for now.
7. Nothing big materializes at the deadline. Rangers are again rumored to go after Eichel and JT Miller etc. But there's nothing. Prospect for Prospect moves really don't happen at the deadline.
8. Summer comes, Rangers once again are rumored to be in on guys like JT Miller/Scheifele. But again, nothing materializes. Rangers sign Trocheck. Cap room is gone. Roster room gone. And likelihood of landing another big fish is pretty much exhausted.
BUT THEY JUST SPENT OVER A YEAR TRYING TO PACKAGE NILS FOR A MUCH BIGGER FISH, KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY NOT GET FAIR VALUE IN A PROSPECT FOR PROSPECT TRADE. (Similar to VK)
9. With another season stuck in the AHL on the horizon, Nils runs out of patience, makes his trade request public...
But here's the thing, Rangers are technically in the same exact position as they were before the Post article. They've been in that same position for a year.
Drury will either move Nils for 80 cents on the dollar or Nils will play another year in Sweden. But to be clear, the 80 cents on the dollar moves are no different than they've been for the past year.
