Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist Requests Trade

[The Crypto Guy]

Nils and Krav for Caulfield. Get er done.

(yes i'm well aware this would never happen)

 

[Circus86]

Nils and Krav for Caulfield. Get er done.

(yes i'm well aware this would never happen)

@EdJovanovski deletes his account if Kravtsov is traded?

 

[Fitzy]

Montreal has a full cupboard of center prospects of various value so I could see it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Joshua Roy for Nils.

 

[Circus86]

Joshua Roy for Nils.

 

[effen]

Why do people think New York is hard to play in? Barely any media and no one knows who you are on the street.

Worst part is commuting in for games.

 

[Machinehead]

Why do people think New York is hard to play in? Barely any media and no one knows who you are on the street.

Worst part is commuting in for games.

Yeah, I think it's one of the easier places. You get all the big city amenities with little of the pressure.

Baseball is another story because the media are like flies to shit with baseball, but hockey not so much.

 

[will1066]

There will come a day when requesting a trade will be so common people won't even bat an eye.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Nils and Krav for Caulfield. Get er done.

(yes i'm well aware this would never happen)

Honestly that's what it SHOULD cost if they want both Lundkvist and Kravtsov. These are two high quality former 1st round prospects. The cost should be high if they're both going.

There will come a day when requesting a trade will be so common people won't even bat an eye.

I think it's already getting there.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Agree. The whole world knew Nils wasn't going to supplant anyone for a top 6 spot. Use the asset to shore up an area where you're not as rich or stockpiled. Should have tried to moved him once Schneider became the phenom RD.

And @SnowblindNYR is too busy in love to even give a shit about this news.

Not really losing sleep over it. We have a lot of D-men in the pipeline. More concerned about Kravtsov.

 

[bobbop]

Montreal has a full cupboard of center prospects of various value so I could see it.

Like who?

 

[cwede]

Like who?

I like Mysak, had strong OHL season, strong WJC just recently
Gonna be AHL this fall.
Might fit nice between Cuylle and Paju if coaches can stomach a young 2nd line.

 

[gravey9]

I like Mysak, had strong OHL season, strong WJC just recently
Gonna be AHL this fall.
Might fit nice between Cuylle and Paju if coaches can stomach a young 2nd line.

i just don't think Mysak is enough. His skill seems limited and he's a fine skater, but no burner. I see him as a bottom 6 forward at best. I think Nils could end up being a top 4 D man. Not saying we'll get more, but I'd want more value if it's possible.

 

[LORDE]

While I wholeheartedly agree that it's beyond frustrating that so many of these kids have requested trades, I think the Nils situation is a bit more understandable and not entirely related to situations like VK and LA.

I'm not going to rehash VK and LA, only to say that perhaps there is some validity to the organization at some point overpromising roles in North America once the kids come over. And it's possible that HFD has a negative reputation amongst prospects -- that is not proven at all though. I

With Nils, it's important to look back at the timeline.

Since Nils was drafted, two major things changed. Adam Fox ascended to the #1PP, #1 RD spot. Braden Schneider was drafted. Nils had a great season in the SHL the season following the Schneider draft. He officially becomes our #1 prospect not in the NHL.

After Nils' stellar SHL season, we know a few things.

1 - Nils has a legit shot against Schneider for that last RD role in the NHL.
2 - The Rangers are looking to land another top 6 center. Eichel rumors persist the entire summer. Other names come up like Matt Tkachuk. Nils is rumored in pretty much all of these trades. While we don't if that's the case for sure, it's reasonable to think Nils or other young D are being offered up. So, from an asset management standpoint, the Rangers were trying to maximize Nils' value last summer.
But none of those trades materialized. It happens. But at that point, the idea that Nils could have been traded for a similar highly touted prospect is a fantasy. Prospect swaps are almost exclusively the Gauthier/Keane kind. Teams are loathe to give up on their own top prospects. So, the focus was on packaging Nils for a massive upgrade on the NHL roster. Didn't happen.
3 - Nils comes to camp and is essentially gifted the #3 RD spot. He did not outplay Jones or Schneider in camp. But it was clear they were force feeding Nils into the NHL because Nils had likely already made it clear (possibly when he signed his ELC) that he was not interested in toiling away in Hartford. And that he was also concerned about getting buried on the depth chart. Rangers likely promised him some sort of first shot to grab the 3RD. That said, when the season started, NL was clearly not ready. Nemeth surely didn't help. But Nemeth was brought in SPECIFICALLY FOR Nils. It wasn't the right move - clearly. But the Rangers were trying to do right by Nils from the get go. Nils played 25 games in the NHL to start last season. It was clear he should be sent down pretty much the entire time. He needed to get adjusted to NA game. He wasn't ready. But the Rangers showed him faaaaar more patience than Zac Jones. Again, bending over backward as a good faith effort to Nils.
4. When Nils finally gets sent down, there were these subtle rumblings that were mentioned in passing on podcasts and the like that suggested Nils had expressed his desire to not remain in HFD. The trade request likely happened somewhat soon in his tenure in HFD. But Nils is not a quitter,. He didn't run home. He stayed and played out the year. Likely fairly unhappy the whole time. And hopefully that didn't rub his teammates the wrong way. Regardless, at this time, Drury likely made some inquiries to see if there were any prospect for prospect trades, but I bet they were ALL selling low at that point. (as they would have been over last summer as well!)
5. Once Schneider comes up, its clear pretty quickly that at least for last season, he has surpassed Nils on the depth chart.
6. At that point, Rangers are officially in a tough spot. There are not great options to trade Nils. They ask Nils to keep things quiet. Give us some time. Maybe other options will materialize at the deadline or at the draft. Nils says ok, not happy with this, but okay. You've been upfront with me. You've invested a lot in me. I'll chill... for now.
7. Nothing big materializes at the deadline. Rangers are again rumored to go after Eichel and JT Miller etc. But there's nothing. Prospect for Prospect moves really don't happen at the deadline.
8. Summer comes, Rangers once again are rumored to be in on guys like JT Miller/Scheifele. But again, nothing materializes. Rangers sign Trocheck. Cap room is gone. Roster room gone. And likelihood of landing another big fish is pretty much exhausted.

BUT THEY JUST SPENT OVER A YEAR TRYING TO PACKAGE NILS FOR A MUCH BIGGER FISH, KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY NOT GET FAIR VALUE IN A PROSPECT FOR PROSPECT TRADE. (Similar to VK)

9. With another season stuck in the AHL on the horizon, Nils runs out of patience, makes his trade request public...

But here's the thing, Rangers are technically in the same exact position as they were before the Post article. They've been in that same position for a year.

Drury will either move Nils for 80 cents on the dollar or Nils will play another year in Sweden. But to be clear, the 80 cents on the dollar moves are no different than they've been for the past year.

Very fair take.

I guess my only caveat would be that, again, he AND Buch or he AND Chytil or he AND someone else would move the needle for something we desperately need... a center prospect.

That could've happened 2-3 years ago

But your point is taken to be sure.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Is Pinto too much?

I'd do Pinto and Greig for Kakko and Lundkvist

i just don't think Mysak is enough. His skill seems limited and he's a fine skater, but no burner. I see him as a bottom 6 forward at best. I think Nils could end up being a top 4 D man. Not saying we'll get more, but I'd want more value if it's possible.

Mysak is one of the most underrated prospects in my opinion

 

[Nickmo82]

@EdJovanovski deletes his account if Kravtsov is traded?

He'll just ship out like that creepy Zucc guy did.

 

[cwede]

i just don't think Mysak is enough. His skill seems limited and he's a fine skater, but no burner. I see him as a bottom 6 forward at best. I think Nils could end up being a top 4 D man. Not saying we'll get more, but I'd want more value if it's possible.

all i can go on really is his WJC, and draft year reports like this

Jan Mysak Scouting Report: 2020 NHL Draft #30

Drafted 20th overall by the Hamilton Bulldogs in the 2019 CHL Import Draft, Jan Mysak only joined the OHL team after the World Juniors.

lastwordonsports.com

thanks for the input

 

[Rongomania]

What a great time to rob Montreal in the beginning of a rebuild. Gorts got hosed for McD and Miller in the beginning of ours, let's get him back.

Would truly prefer not to deal Krav until he has an entire season/PO's with us ...

Lundkvist though, pack your shit, you're off to Montreal. It's really a perfect fit and their fans know and are vocal about their need for D. They have plenty of room for Nils to work through all of his growing pains.

What do they have outside of Caufield (whom I doubt they'd deal) ?

 

[bobbop]

I like Mysak, had strong OHL season, strong WJC just recently
Gonna be AHL this fall.
Might fit nice between Cuylle and Paju if coaches can stomach a young 2nd line.

Mysak is the only center they have that’s even a possibility and he’s a maybe for me. Did have some moments in the WJC. They do have some LHD of interest if the Rangers simply want to change up the mix. I think there are better potential partners.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Why do people think New York is hard to play in? Barely any media and no one knows who you are on the street.

Worst part is commuting in for games.

Where do we begin?

1. Population/intimidating: Most of the Europeans come from cities or countries which are smaller than the five boroughs of NY. Sometimes one or two of the boroughs are bigger than the country. When Jagr first got here he was talking about how the entire Czech Republic was as big as Brooklyn if I remember correctly.

2. Cost of living: you and prospect B both from Goodsoil, Saskatchewan get drafted the same year, same round, and get more or less the same ELC/bonus clauses. You are a Ranger, prospect B your friend is a Predator/Jet/Panther/Blue. Who is going to have an easier time saving money and getting more bang for buck?

3. Expectations/What have you done for me lately?: We see it all the time. New Yorkers always expect their teams to be good even when they're not particularly good or in a low period. Look at the Giants. There's this sense of entitlement/we as fans live in the most expensive place in North America, we want to be entertained and satisfied and demand our teams to perform like we do. Yes there are smart fans, but the majority of the boo birds will turn on a player quickly if they don't do well. It's very stressful and many players are under a microscope.

4. The people are barbarians/fast paced: I'm a lifelonng NYer and even I hate the pace, negativity, bad attitudes, go go go. The "New York Minute" to me might be more offensive than "what are you gonna do/we shall see/it is what it is" in terms or worst NY sayings and tropes. If it bothers someone like me who is used to it, imagine the Average Sven or in this case Nils from Europe.

5. Rookies who don't initially deliver more often then not get turned on: It's not just a hockey thing. Greg Jeffries, Kevin Maas, Roger Vick, Derrick Coleman, Jarrod Bunch. I can go on. There's not much patience around here.

6. Players from other teams who traditionally produced did not live up to expectations: once in a while the Rangers bring in a Walt Poddubny or Michael Nylander who outproduced the expectations, but those are the outliers. How many times has a player come here and underperformed? Why is that? Why did Robataille who had two of the greatest centers in NHL history to play with turn into a 20G-20A guy here?

7. Ice at MSG sucked for a very long time: I think even post 2011-12 renovation, Richards or Del Zotto said it was like handling a tennis ball.

8. Media isn't Toronto but.....they're still hard on you. Look at Dan Boyle. Look at Bobby Holik. You're still expected to perform.

There are many more reasons. Some of it is directly related to hockey/MSG location and others more of the town and cost of living in general, but it is harder to play in NY and it takes a special person to be able to do it and do it well.

 

[eco's bones]

Guhle would be interesting to me. Large framed LD--a mid 1st if I remember right. Really good skater, skilled, can move the puck and is physical. To me if it's just Nils for him that's a win for us. Montreal would probably want more......but Kravtsov would move that more to another level for sure.

What is it?---Gorton wants some of these guys he drafted?

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Montreal is going to suck ass for at least three more seasons. Get a 2023 2nd straight up for Lundkvist and I’m happy. Montreal has two firsts in 2023. That 2nd will be first-round quality.

Lundkvist has a right to want to play more, but he’s not good enough for a contender. Zac Jones was better last season anyway. Schneider-Jones should be the third pairing by next season.

 

[2014nyr]

Very fair take.

I guess my only caveat would be that, again, he AND Buch or he AND Chytil or he AND someone else would move the needle for something we desperately need... a center prospect.

That could've happened 2-3 years ago

But your point is taken to be sure.

i get what youre saying but i'm not sure that kinda trade coulda been made at any point with those names, at least if i'm correct in assuming you have in mind a high end c prospect. certainly not in the elite tier, maybe we could get a mid rounder whod really outperformed postdraft and had a chance to be a top 6 guy. or a high pick who'd tracked below expectations. but teams really dont move near certain top line c's. if your case is trust the scouting dept to pick the right guy out of the ones who might come available i dont hate it.

also have to consider the two names mentioned...with buch he wouldnt really be attractive to a rebuilding prospect stocked team. he was like 25 and due to get paid so a few years ahead of schedule, known as a good teammate but not a guy thats gonna be the leader in a young locker room, and not really a do it on his own player...on a roster with no talent hes still a good player, but not going to be the guy you traded for production wise, plus hes a wing. his only market was going to be contenders or teams looking for help making the jump, and then had a top 6 wing need, and then had 5-6mm free to get him signed. so even stacking that trade to try and juice the return that team also needs to have a use for nils, and the level of c prospect we'd want to return/their willingness to move them. all things considered thats gonna be a narrow to non existent market....basically woulda taken a miracle for that to have happened.

chytil and nils has a better shot, the only downside is obviously youre moving a c in the deal to add a young c. i still do it for an upgrade but at the end of the day in terms of org depth its an offset. and that also takes someone who has a spare top 6 young c who values nils and adding a bottom 6 c with an outside shot at becoming a 2. i have my doubts you find anyone who offers a great return, but maybe theres a solid upside option we really valued available.

long story short i dont think short of a kandre/laf/kakko/othmann/schneider even gets a conversation about a higher end c prospect.

i realize dach was obviously just traded which is the kinda thing that might appear to go against what im saying. i dont see him on that level though - obviously hes very young so you cant know for sure. in my mind though hes on par with a chytil - a great skillset without great hockey sense. those guys are capped and almost certainly not in the weight class we have a need for. you can find 3rd/stretch 2c's out there, but rare someone dumps a pick that high that soon if for no other reason than pride.

 

[NickyFotiu]

For sure. Facts are, Nils had a pretty miserable stint in the NHL. Jittery and no confidence.

Due to him being poised and experienced, he still survived and didn’t cost us a ton of games. But he didn’t play up to his potential.

I hope this is a situation where he still can acknowledge that he hasn’t reached the end of the road in any way shape or form. He can take another step in the AHL and there will be injuries during the season and he has yet to play a game he is capable of in the NHL.

I mean, I can understand him. Are there other depth charts around the NHL that looks more favorable for Nils? Of course. The best for his career is probably if one of those team trades for him. He requested a trade? Understandable, could be the right move for him if it can be obeyed.

BUT if Dru can’t facilitate a trade, I definitely also think that it’s the right decision by Nils to keep fighting starting in HFD. JMHO.

The stuff about wanting to be top 4 and on the PP is fine but you have to earn that. You cant demand that. I do not know where some of these young guys are coming from. If I was his parent I would tell him to just go in to camp. If you are top 4 worthy you will win a spot on this team. If you show how good you are you will move up. Nobody is against him. We would love for him to be great. Just come show us. Don't demand. Earn.

 

[huerter]

Where do we begin?

1. Population/intimidating: Most of the Europeans come from cities or countries which are smaller than the five boroughs of NY. Sometimes one or two of the boroughs are bigger than the country. When Jagr first got here he was talking about how the entire Czech Republic was as big as Brooklyn if I remember correctly.

2. Cost of living: you and prospect B both from Goodsoil, Saskatchewan get drafted the same year, same round, and get more or less the same ELC/bonus clauses. You are a Ranger, prospect B your friend is a Predator/Jet/Panther/Blue. Who is going to have an easier time saving money and getting more bang for buck?

3. Expectations/What have you done for me lately?: We see it all the time. New Yorkers always expect their teams to be good even when they're not particularly good or in a low period. Look at the Giants. There's this sense of entitlement/we as fans live in the most expensive place in North America, we want to be entertained and satisfied and demand our teams to perform like we do. Yes there are smart fans, but the majority of the boo birds will turn on a player quickly if they don't do well. It's very stressful and many players are under a microscope.

4. The people are barbarians/fast paced: I'm a lifelonng NYer and even I hate the pace, negativity, bad attitudes, go go go. The "New York Minute" to me might be more offensive than "what are you gonna do/we shall see/it is what it is" in terms or worst NY sayings and tropes. If it bothers someone like me who is used to it, imagine the Average Sven or in this case Nils from Europe.

5. Rookies who don't initially deliver more often then not get turned on: It's not just a hockey thing. Greg Jeffries, Kevin Maas, Roger Vick, Derrick Coleman, Jarrod Bunch. I can go on. There's not much patience around here.

6. Players from other teams who traditionally produced did not live up to expectations: once in a while the Rangers bring in a Walt Poddubny or Michael Nylander who outproduced the expectations, but those are the outliers. How many times has a player come here and underperformed? Why is that? Why did Robataille who had two of the greatest centers in NHL history to play with turn into a 20G-20A guy here?

7. Ice at MSG sucked for a very long time: I think even post 2011-12 renovation, Richards or Del Zotto said it was like handling a tennis ball.

8. Media isn't Toronto but.....they're still hard on you. Look at Dan Boyle. Look at Bobby Holik. You're still expected to perform.

There are many more reasons. Some of it is directly related to hockey/MSG location and others more of the town and cost of living in general, but it is harder to play in NY and it takes a special person to be able to do it and do it well.

9. A creepy groomer 5000 miles away all up in your S.