Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist Requests Trade

[effen]

Nobody is giving us a 1st for him

The amount of teams desperate to trade for Nils Lundqvist for the last year is limited only by ones imagination.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Shouldve traded him sooner. That's my issue.

Now he demands a trade and his value tanks.

Just my opinion. Feel free to roll your eyes more

Him demanding a trade isn't on them. They gave him a shot to do something, he didn't deliver and now he wants out.

How thats their fault? I don't know.

I'm also of the opinion that they should have traded him earlier, but thats because I knew he was going to suck.

I don't think the trade demand tanks his value as much as him not being good at either the NHL or AHL level does. As others have said, anyone with eyes could have told you that he didn't really have a spot here.

 

[Machinehead]

Is Kaapo Kakko next?
I wouldn't be surprised if he's.

Nils never had a chance to ever be in the lineup after the Rangers decided to go with Schneider.

Kakko definitely has a path to the top six.

Although I think the Kid Line will be back quicker than anyone wants to admit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nils never had a chance to ever be in the lineup after the Rangers decided to go with Schneider.

Kakko definitely has a path to the top six.

Although I think the Kid Line will be back quicker than anyone wants to admit.

I'm fine with it as long as they actually PLAY.

The Kid line wasn't an issue. Their usage in the playoffs certainly was since they were quite literally their only good line at 5v5.

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[haohmaru]

Poor asset management, they were looking for a 1st for him a year ago, they didn't get it but they could have easily gotten a 2nd then. There absolutely an issue with Lundkvist's handling, you think this is the first Drury is hearing about this?

So, trading a 1st (28th overall) for a 2nd isn't "poor asset management"? This place would've exploded were a deal like that made a year ago.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm fine with it as long as they actually PLAY.

The Kid line wasn't an issue. Their usage in the playoffs certainly was since they were quite literally their only good line at 5v5.

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Right. I like the line as a line.

The problem is that it's an easy excuse to drop them because the Zibanjead line has to play more and the Panarin line has to play more.

 

[LOFIN]

Is Kaapo Kakko next?
I wouldn't be surprised if he's.

I doubt it. He obviously likes it in New York, the team is competitive, and he has maintained that it's on him that he has underperformed so far in his NHL career. I mean he just signed a new contract for crying out loud.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I think the main issue people have is asset management. The rangers have consistently over played their hand with and were not internally honest. Instead of being preemptive and taking care of it before it becomes public and leverage is lost they sit with their hands and say “not a big deal, we know best”

 

[Boris Zubov]

Seriously. Place is a huge shit hole, move them anywhere else. Nobody wants to play there.

There is, it's called Hartford, CT. Nobody wants to ride buses and play in the frozen wasteland of Hartford, CT in the middle of winter. They want to club hop Mid Town Manhattan instead.

If the Rangers moved their AHL affiliate to the Meadowlands this stuff wouldn't be a problem. Kids wouldn't care as much if they had to play there. They could live it up in NYC after the games. Having the team in Hartford is a big issue, players would rather hold out or go back to a second rate league in Europe than to spend a minute in Hartford.

Do you know how assinine you two sound? When was the last time you spent any time in this area? Sure the downtown area of Hartford is run down & in need of makeover, but guess what, so was Brooklyn about 15-20 years ago. Plus downtown Hartford is literally the size of the East VIllage. Yes it's that tiny...the capital of Connecticut doesn't even have a DMV, you have to go to a town called Weathersfield. However compared to nearby AHL cities such as Bridgeport, Springfield, Wilks-Barre, Utica, Rochester, etc, the Hartford metro area is a gem.

Nobody should ever be comparing the region to Manhattan, but it's very similar to Long Island. The area immediately outside downtown is fantastic, starting with West Hartford, which is 5 minutes away from the XL Center & where I guarantee these kids are living & hanging out. There's great shopping, great restuarants, great local breweries, outdoor activities & tons of attractive young single women. Maybe just maybe, if a kid is a problem in Hartford, he's going to be a much bigger problem in any of those other AHL dump cities I mentioned.

Now if you're suggesting the coaching or front office in place for the Wolfpack is the problem, I'm all ears, but to suggest it's this area, you need to come up with something a little more realistic.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Do you know how assinine you two sound? When was the last time you spent any time in this area? Sure the downtown area of Hartford is run down & in need of makeover, but guess what, so was Brooklyn about 15-20 years ago. Plus downtown Hartford is literally the size of the East VIllage. Yes it's that tiny...the capital of Connecticut doesn't even have a DMV, you have to go to a town called Weathersfield. However compared to nearby AHL cities such as Bridgeport, Springfield, Wilks-Barre, Utica, Rochester, etc, the Hartford metro area is a gem.

Nobody should ever be comparing the region to Manhattan, but it's very similar to Long Island. The area immediately outside downtown is fantastic, starting with West Hartford, which is 5 minutes away from the XL Center & where I guarantee these kids are living & hanging out. There's great shopping, great restuarants, great local breweries, outdoor activities & tons of attractive young single women. Maybe just maybe, if a kid is a problem in Hartford, he's going to be a much bigger problem in any of those other AHL dump cities I mentioned.

Now if you're suggesting the front office in place for the Wolfpack is the problem, I'm all ears, but to suggest it's this area, you need to come up with something a little more realistic.

Well i am talking about the downtown area…soo

 

[eco's bones]

Again some smaller defensemen are unique. Sometimes I think too much emphasis is put on Makar’s and Fox’s offensive abilities and not enough attention is paid to how well they defend. Another thing in Makar’s case that a lot of people don’t seem to recognize is he can really hit.

In Fox’s case his positional play with both stick and body is exceptional. He breaks up plays and creates turnovers with frequency and his guile and anticipation wins him more than his fair share of puck battles even against much larger players and he’s very quick and accurate on breakouts if the play is there but also patient with the puck and excellent at playing keep away under pressure if he has to be. There are plenty of smaller D with tons of stick skills that can wow you with those skills but can’t do those kinds of things that seem to come naturally to Fox.…and these are things that separate Fox from DeAngelo and at least so far from Nils.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Well i am talking about the downtown area…soo

And like I said it's about 3 square miles total, if that. The only time these kids are going downtown is for home games. I doubt they even practice at the XL center.

 

[Payote75]

What about the Kings? They have enough young forwards.

 

[Peltz]

Do you know how assinine you two sound? When was the last time you spent any time in this area? Sure the downtown area of Hartford is run down & in need of makeover, but guess what, so was Brooklyn about 15-20 years ago.

Bro please. You just compared Hartford to f***ing Brooklyn. Doesn't matter how bad their point was, you discredited yourself by opening up the post with that.

Brooklyn 15-20 years ago was still hip as shit.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Bro please. You just compared Hartford to f***ing Brooklyn. Doesn't matter how bad their point was, you discredited yourself by opening up the post with that.

Brooklyn 15-20 years ago was still hip as shit.

I compared one aspect of Brooklyn...that fact that 15-20 years ago it was run down. Was it not? Parts of it still are.

Anything else you want to infer from that, go right ahead. But sure, I discredited myself. Way to ignore the rest of what I wrote.

I'm from f*cking Queens, BTW, back from a time you didn't want to step foot in Brooklyn.

 

[haohmaru]

This isn't about Hartford - it's about a guy who knows there's no spot on this team that's not making anywhere near his contract playing in the AHL in a sport that has an average career length of 4.5 years. He's got a limited time to make a lot of money and he's not doing that here any time soon. Hartford. Bridgeport. Hershey. San Diego. San Jose. I don't f*cking care. It's not about that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So, trading a 1st (28th overall) for a 2nd isn't "poor asset management"? This place would've exploded were a deal like that made a year ago.

You arent reading right. I said they were looking for a 1st for Georgiev, they never got it but could have easily gotten a 2nd at the time instead of the 3rds and 5th we got by not trading him at the right time.

 

[egelband]

This isn't about Hartford - it's about a guy who knows there's no spot on this team that's not making anywhere near his contract playing in the AHL in a sport that has an average career length of 4.5 years. He's got a limited time to make a lot of money and he's not doing that here any time soon. Hartford. Bridgeport. Hershey. San Diego. San Jose. I don't f*cking care. It's not about that.

Yep. I don’t think it’s really ever about Hartford per se. Just that it’s not MSG. The Hartford team being better would help marginally but really these guys just want to get to the NHL asap. For better or for worse.

Exclusive | Rangers trying to trade frustrated Nils Lundkvist

The Swede is seeking a better opportunity to challenge for a top-four spot and role as a power-play quarterback.

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another one

I think a public trade request can be good for both the team and the player. Assuming the player is attractive to other teams, it forces everyone to put their cards on the table.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Him demanding a trade isn't on them. They gave him a shot to do something, he didn't deliver and now he wants out.

How thats their fault? I don't know.

I'm also of the opinion that they should have traded him earlier, but thats because I knew he was going to suck.

I don't think the trade demand tanks his value as much as him not being good at either the NHL or AHL level does. As others have said, anyone with eyes could have told you that he didn't really have a spot here.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of the takes about the Nils situation in here. The kid literally just finished his D+4 year, and the Rangers basically did what everyone wanted with our Euro prospects by leaving him in Sweden for 3 years before bringing him to North America? Does this mean Lulea is to blame for his development? Fire Thomas Berglund?

But seriously, he only just had his first professional season in North America where he literally won a spot out of camp despite not really earning it over someone like Jones, AND the Rangers signed Nemeth to literally be his mentor here. It's not like they didn't try to do everything they could for Nils to get acclimated here.

He just did exactly what he did as his first SHL season where it took him time to get adjusted and didn't perform up to the expectations people probably had from his second and third seasons in Lulea. I don't think he was even that bad last year, and you could definitely see what made him a first round pick in brief spurts. There were a few games in HFD where he was good, but he unfortunately got hurt down the stretch.

Blaming the Rangers just doesn't make sense. He simply just needed another year of development, which really isn't that uncommon for a defenseman. I don't even think it's that unlikely that he could've beaten out Schneider for the 3RD spot out of camp, but forget that now. It is what it is. Can't really blame the kid for wanting to find a situation where he'll have more of an opportunity to play to his niche and won't have Adam Fox in front him. I just hope Drury gets good value.

 

[haohmaru]

You arent reading right. I said they were looking for a 1st for Georgiev, they never got it but could have easily gotten a 2nd at the time instead of the 3rds and 5th we got by not trading him at the right time.

Oh, yeah, I agree with that (and said so at the time). My bad.

Trouble is, we don't know what or who or if anything was offered for Lundkvist.

 

[LORDE]

Him demanding a trade isn't on them. They gave him a shot to do something, he didn't deliver and now he wants out.

How thats their fault? I don't know.

I'm also of the opinion that they should have traded him earlier, but thats because I knew he was going to suck.

I don't think the trade demand tanks his value as much as him not being good at either the NHL or AHL level does. As others have said, anyone with eyes could have told you that he didn't really have a spot here.

Well then you agree they shouldve traded him earlier.

(I roll my eyes... jk)

In my opinion a GM has to build a team and to so means you have to MAXIMIZE your assets.

The NYR selected Nils in the 1st rd

His value has dropped every year since he came here.

You think he sucks. OK.

I dont care if he does or not. He shouldve been traded sooner. We should've gotten something for him BEFORE everyone agreed with your take that he sucks. OR... we shouldnt have picked him but thats another post.

 

[hackeyman]

Not so sure this is going to hurt Drury's ability to get value for him but we will have to wait and see.

 

[hackeyman]

bump

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

While its nice to have the team close for call ups, i think it should go somewhere that it would be the main attraction. I'm not suggesting Halifax but I'll use them as an example with junior hockey. They are far enough away from NHL teams that they are the main focus of the city. World juniors are always full in Halifax, its places like this that get behind minor league teams because they don't have the nhl option. Look at the worldjuniors in edmonton this year, big hockey city but they are all waiting for the NHL to start, wait and see what the attendance is like for the next one in halifax. I believe AHL teams should be put in areas that have population but no pro teams but thats my opinion.

I like Nils...i hate their handling of him. The problem isn't Nils its that we already know who our core is and we're expecting a kid who probably should be in the nhl to sit around and delay his payday. Meanwhile we're tossing draft picks for players instead of trading redundant players and keeping the picks for players we will need on entry level deals later. That in a nut shell is my issue.
We got very little for Georgiev, a 3rd and a 5th is nothing considering so many teams were looking for goalies.

Ill agree with you that their handling of him was wrong but Nils is still a very talented prospect that is seen in a different light by GMs than us fans. I wouldnt mind moving Nils for a forward of comparative forward or hoping we can move him and another redundant piece to get ourselves a 2nd first in this years draft.

We didnt get very little.. And we got (2) 3rds and a 5th rounder for a guy who had no future with the team bc he wasnt getting resigned, everyone knew was on the outside looking in, and had locker room issues. I think we did pretty good, especially since it was basically trading Geo's rights.

We can all try to gauge players trade values but in reality we have only small ideas of what gms of any of the NHL teams think of each individual players.

But i agree there are some players we knew should have been or need to be moved but dont you need to allow players like Robertson, Nils, Jones to seperate a bit to figure out which one you want to trade? It can be seen both ways.

Sorry im super stoned right now and hopefully im making sense here, that theres a delicate balance to keep and we have been a little to patient.

 

[nyr2k2]

I mean if the team legitimately thought Nils potentially had a place on the team and wanted to see him compete for a spot this season, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what they did in holding onto him.

It's only a problem if the team itself had lost faith in Nils or didn't see a future for him here, and decided to hold onto him anyway. But, I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case.

Seems like they did really want him to battle it out, and at least give it a go through camp, and see what happens. But he didn't want to do that, which is his prerogative. I don't see an issue with how the Rangers handled this.