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Ryan Graves, Ryan Gropp and Sean Day aren't European and they refused to report as well. Day even terminated his ELC, despite it costing him his signing bonus.
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Ryan Graves, Ryan Gropp and Sean Day aren't European and they refused to report as well. Day even terminated his ELC, despite it costing him his signing bonus.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Youre right. The only reason to rush this would be to benefit Nils. He and Claude want out, thats fine. But that doesnt mean Drury needs to settle for crap value just to satisfy their request.
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Graves never refused to report. He played 2 full seasons in Hartford, and another partial season (in which he played every game) before being traded. And he never made that request public.
Gropp played 3 full AHL/ECHL seasons before refusing to report and leaving for overseas.
Day played 2 full AHL/ECHL seasons. Though he did refuse to report to the ECHL initially.
Nils, on the other hand, received 25 NHL games, then was sent down to Hartford for an additional 35. And now, he's threatening not to report to camp because he might actually have to compete for a roster spot? Completely inexcusable, IMO. If we really can't get fair value back, I'd seriously consider tolling his contract if I'm Drury. This is a case of a player and his agent trying to create a false sense of urgency (i.e. not reporting to camp in a few weeks) to make a trade. Not surprising coming from that rat Lemieux. Dude was a rat in his playing days, and he's probably still pissed we traded his rat son.
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I don't either to a point. Growing tired of players asking out through media. If he didn't initiate it, then I apologize......BUT don't they realize they have a better chance of being moved in an eloquent and fruitful way that suits the organization?
Don't believe they "have to" do anything, right? All this does is hurt the relationship and now, slowly entering Kravtsov territory.
Not the Rangers fault KAM/Foxy beat him to the punch. They seized opportunity, and what little chance he had, he kind of blew.
That's on him. Hold on to him and maximize return.
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This whole thing just reeks of entitlement and/or complete lack of compete.
He wants to just be handed a roster spot.
I mean, does he really believe there's no way he can beat out Schneider for that 3RD spot? I mean, I don't think the fanbase believes he can, but that's very different than the player himself not believing he can, and not even being willing to try.
Does he not think he can beat Robertson and Jones out for the 3LD spot?
Does he not believe injuries will happen? Lindgren is basically held together by bubblegum and chicken wire at this point, Trouba plays a game that's not conducive to long-term health, and we're due for a major injury to our D.
The Rangers hold the hammer here. He's under contract. We don't have to trade him if we don't want to, and he can't go back to Europe unless Drury agrees to loan him. Drury can toll his contract and put Nils in hockey limbo. That's what Yzerman did with Drouin. Forced him to go back to the AHL and rebuild his value. Got Sergachev in return. While I don't expect that kind of a return for Nils, I'm not interested in garbage, longshot prospects for him either.
He wants to just be handed a roster spot.
I mean, does he really believe there's no way he can beat out Schneider for that 3RD spot? I mean, I don't think the fanbase believes he can, but that's very different than the player himself not believing he can, and not even being willing to try.
Does he not think he can beat Robertson and Jones out for the 3LD spot?
Does he not believe injuries will happen? Lindgren is basically held together by bubblegum and chicken wire at this point, Trouba plays a game that's not conducive to long-term health, and we're due for a major injury to our D.
The Rangers hold the hammer here. He's under contract. We don't have to trade him if we don't want to, and he can't go back to Europe unless Drury agrees to loan him. Drury can toll his contract and put Nils in hockey limbo. That's what Yzerman did with Drouin. Forced him to go back to the AHL and rebuild his value. Got Sergachev in return. While I don't expect that kind of a return for Nils, I'm not interested in garbage, longshot prospects for him either.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but those guys weren't first round picks. I feel like it's a much larger issue if 1st round picks go bust because of reasons that aren't even on-ice related. 2nd+ round picks are easier to replace.
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Probably does feel that way knowing that the org is in love with Schneider. But as i said in the main thread, we got lucky with injuries on D last season. More than likely someone gets hurt at some point and then he will get his chance.
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No matter where the blame lies, we shouldn't give this guy away for nothing. Like Kravtzov last year, he is making a mistake. If VK had reported to Hartford, injuries would have very quickly necessitated his recall and he likely would have spent the entire year with the Rangers. We were very fortunate with our D last years, avoiding any major, long term injuries. The odds of that happening again are not great. There is every chance that, even if he doesn't make the team out of camp, he would be back with the team soon. Someone is giving him bad advice. Drury should hold firm, either waiting for a decent return or not doing anything. Is NL going to sit for a whole year? Also unlikely. Will he sulk at Hartford? Well, that will tell us something. Maybe he is trying to emulate VK, Bad example to follow.
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As much as Entitlement factors, I think Player Agents also have say in this. Just speculation, however If their player doesn't make the squad over another player they try to force the organization to play or move them. Clock is ticking on these players. They can't miss their window.
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Maybe i'm wrong, and this is very subjective. And i go off on tangents below
but i blame Claude more than Nils. I believe he's getting bad advice. I felt same w Krav last year.
These agents seem to see value in raising their own profile, and being seen as responsive to players' impulses, over what might actually be best for their clients' long term career success
Watching USOpen, all these players thank their whole team, who allow the player to just focus on tennis while the pros guide their career.
It all seems more short-term and mercenary in hockey, guys changing agents often.
The business side of hockey is kind of a mess, the Union had been weak, the players unwilling to fight the league, the league greedy, secretive and stubborn.
Escrow was first proposed as alternative Cap. But league loved idea of withholding pay and made BOTH part of the post lockout landscape.
Now the league is a bizarre mess with marginal guys earning 3-4$M while comparable FA guys aresigning for league minimum or PTOs
The owners have it their way and everyone else is flailing to have a decent short term result
Some guys, like TBL FO, have been able to navigate the swamp with some longterm success.
But the arbitrary advantage of a tax-free state has contributed.
Claude is being a douche, as said often abive, come to camp play well situations can change ( say Fox has some injury issues as Leetch did early, etc) creating opportunity, or the camp showing can drive the new-team win-win opportunity
Sorry (sorta) for the rant
eco's bones
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The past several years the Rangers have had a lot of top prospects and there hasn’t been enough room for everybody. In the meantime we’ve gone from a retooling stage to opening of the window last year. We’re now at a point where just being a 1st rounder doesn’t fast track that player a spot on the team. This isn’t just about Nils per se and his situation at least to my eyes is different from Kravtsov’s and much different from Lias’s. Andersson’s game has imploded AFAIC. If anything he’s a worse player for the Kings now than he was when he was underwhelming for us. I don’t know why the tears for him.
Kravtsov had a path to the NHL last year….was lackadaisical in his training…got hurt in camp and refused to go to Hartford and left in a huff. With injuries etc. no doubt he would have had another chance but he wasn’t here. There’s been some repair and we’ll see but for now he goes to training camp and there is a real opportunity for him to make the team again.
Nils did not have a great year. Lost the competition to Schneider and barring injury to one of our RD there really isn’t an opening for him on our right side. He’s effectively blocked which never really happened to Lias or Kravtsov. Of the guys ahead of him Fox is elite, Trouba’s an all situation physical force and Schneider was just better and more a guy that you’d want to break in on a 3rd pairing. When Braden more or less won that job Nils pretty much went to the top of our who to trade list. I would think Nils just sees the writing on the wall himself and that’s why he’s asked for a trade.
Kravtsov had a path to the NHL last year….was lackadaisical in his training…got hurt in camp and refused to go to Hartford and left in a huff. With injuries etc. no doubt he would have had another chance but he wasn’t here. There’s been some repair and we’ll see but for now he goes to training camp and there is a real opportunity for him to make the team again.
Nils did not have a great year. Lost the competition to Schneider and barring injury to one of our RD there really isn’t an opening for him on our right side. He’s effectively blocked which never really happened to Lias or Kravtsov. Of the guys ahead of him Fox is elite, Trouba’s an all situation physical force and Schneider was just better and more a guy that you’d want to break in on a 3rd pairing. When Braden more or less won that job Nils pretty much went to the top of our who to trade list. I would think Nils just sees the writing on the wall himself and that’s why he’s asked for a trade.
How did it go wrong for Nils Lundkvist and the Rangers —and where do they go from here?
Nils Lundkvist wants out of New York. Where might the Rangers send their talented young defenseman?
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Amazing Kreiderman
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I was simply responding to the insinuation that it's because they're European.
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Jan Mysak or Joshua Roy seems fair.
wonder if Gorton will take Gauthier as well.
wonder if Gorton will take Gauthier as well.
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GENESISPuck94
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True. It does seem to be an issue as of late with the European 1st rounders. Not sure if it's a coincidence or not. At least Kravtsov came back and will most likely play a significant role this season. I think the Lundkvist situation is different than the Kravtsov situation. Like you pointed out, it's not exclusive to the European players.
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Yeah, The Nils situation is different than the Krav situation which is different from the Lias situation.
Though I think the Karv and Nils situations do both stem from them being blocked somewhat by better players, while Lias was just, to put it bluntly, not good enough. NL and Krav both have talent and IMO NHL upside.
I don't remember Graves not reporting. The other guys were lucky someone employed them to play professional hockey.
Lundkvist should report to Hartford. He should continue to develop his game. Sitting at home if the Rangers do not trade him is not helping him. Will the team which acquires Lundkvist send him to the AHL? Does Lundkvist refuse to report to their AHL team?
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How did it go wrong for Nils Lundkvist and the Rangers —and where do they go from here?
Nils Lundkvist wants out of New York. Where might the Rangers send their talented young defenseman?
Jeez Molly, I know you both went to Umass, but where was this spark Jones showed last year you speak of?
Amazing Kreiderman
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Ryan Graves requested a trade, and refused to report until he was traded. When Zac Jones was sent down last season, he was pouting and he refused to play.
This stuff happens all the time with us.
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When was this reported?
Amazing Kreiderman
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It wasn't, but it came up in conversation with one of the Wolf Pack players.
HockeyBasedNYC
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The thing is, if Nils was lighting it up last season with the Pack and/or with the Rangers, regardless of injuries - we would have seen him at the end of the year and in the playoffs instead of Schneider. But he wasn't. Schneider came up and made the most of it and stuck, despite being a year and half younger.
Nils is a very good player who is held in high regard by this franchise, but like a lot of Euros the translation/acclimation to the North American rink (and this part of the globe in general) sometimes takes a little longer. Nothing wrong with that.
Yes, he is behind the pecking order in this system - but it is not the end all be all.
Fact of the matter is - if Nils is confident enough to take the advice of an agent who says you are better off leaving for a "sure" NHL job - then he should be equally confident to come into this years camp ready to further his development, beat out anyone in his way or switch to his offside and kill it. Saying he wont report is pretty much conceding the job to Schneider and giving up any hope for a chance to play with this team.
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How did it go wrong for Nils Lundkvist and the Rangers —and where do they go from here?
Nils Lundkvist wants out of New York. Where might the Rangers send their talented young defenseman?
Seider’s a stud. I can see that guy someday winning a Norris (or2). Hronek’s a really good all situation RD and he’s really good too. Nils might make their team but the opportunity to play more towards his strengths doesn’t seem all that hot there to me.
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Whats the big hoop over Mysak? Put up very average numbers in the OHL for a NHL draft pick. What else does he bring?
Edit - Habs voted him their 19TH best prospect. And we are trading what we voted as our #1 prospect just this past Jan for him. No thanks! Clearly most Hab fans don't even see him as anything special.
That's us basically trading Karl Henriksson for Kaiden Guhle.
Edit - Habs voted him their 19TH best prospect. And we are trading what we voted as our #1 prospect just this past Jan for him. No thanks! Clearly most Hab fans don't even see him as anything special.
That's us basically trading Karl Henriksson for Kaiden Guhle.
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