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Prospect Info: Nils Lundkvist: Part II

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aufheben said:
Fox is going to be as good as McDonagh ever was within a year or two. Fox, Kakko, Shesterkin are the cornerstones.
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Defensively Fox reminds me of Anton Stralman when he started playing for us as a 25 year old. As a 21 year old Fox is right there with Stralman in his own zone. Where he is way ahead of the 25/26/27 year old Stralman is in offensive creativity and Stralman though it doesn't really reflect in his point totals with us was pretty decent there. The sky is the limit for Fox. If he continues to improve and there's no reason to believe he won't we will have a stud defenseman on both sides of the puck. I can see him becoming a legit #1RD.

I also expect Lindgren to become at least a good to very good second pairing guy. If he was a little taller with a bit more reach he would be one now.
 
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Ola said:
Yup, and as a rule, Svenska Ishockeyförbundet won't approve such a request before the national team coach has confirmed that a player will not be selected for the WCHs.

Also, one little tweak, this rule applies to the right to use a player in games. Its not forbidden per se to sign a contract. I know of a few examples when a player signed a contract and then pressured to get his ITC but it wasn't approved.
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These subtle nuances in the rules are often overlooked or simply unknown. But the national association/federation doesn't argue usually, unless there are games still to be played. As of now, the EHT and WC have not been cancelled (yet) so there is still a chance he plays.
 
eco's bones said:
Defensively Fox reminds me of Anton Stralman when he started playing for us as a 25 year old. As a 21 year old Fox is right there with Stralman in his own zone. Where he is way ahead of the 25/26/27 year old Stralman is in offensive creativity and Stralman though it doesn't really reflect in his point totals with us was pretty decent there. The sky is the limit for Fox. If he continues to improve and there's no reason to believe he won't we will have a stud defenseman on both sides of the puck. I can see him becoming a legit #1RD.

I also expect Lindgren to become at least a good to very good second pairing guy. If he was a little taller with a bit more reach he would be one now.
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I've been thinking the same all year.

When Fox came to the Rangers this summer he was billed as a 1-way offensive defenceman and therefore would be in direct competition with DeAngelo going forward. So that was the lens I saw Fox' game through in Traverse and while he put up an insane amount of points it still stood very clear to me that he wasn't nearly as dynamic as DeAngelo and that he just doesn't have the talent/skill level to reach all the way there. Going into training camp I felt like the sentiment that Fox was going to be able to replace DeAngelo was both wrong and something that I was worried that the FO shared. But as the level of competition increased I started to focus on Fox' defensive game and was blown away by it. I then realized that Fox wasn't a less talented version of DeAngelo, he was more akin to a significantly more talented version of Strålman - which is not only a better fit for our roster but perhaps a more valuable player overall (depending on where the two ultimately end up).

Ultimately the role he is vying for is Trouba's and going by the play of the two this season I'd say he is already ahead.
 
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Fox has the potential to be the bell cow of the defense. My only reservation with him is speed (hes solidly built at 5'11" and 195) because while I wouldn't classify him as a bad skater, he is going to be vulnerable to the faster players in the league off the rush.

Unless DeAngelo moves over to the left (which the Staff really needs to give an honest try) I'm not sure where Nils fits in here. Trouba isn't going anywhere and I doubt he will be as good as strong an all around D as Fox and I really, really doubt he'll be as dynamic as DeAngelo is on Offense.

There is room for all 3, But Quinns going to have to wise up for it to be a reality.
 
Blue Blooded said:
I've been thinking the same all year.

When Fox came to the Rangers this summer he was billed as a 1-way offensive defenceman and therefore would be in direct competition with DeAngelo going forward. So that was the lens I saw Fox' game through in Traverse and while he put up an insane amount of points it still stood very clear to me that he wasn't nearly as dynamic as DeAngelo and that he just doesn't have the talent/skill level to reach all the way there. Going into training camp I felt like the sentiment that Fox was going to be able to replace DeAngelo was both wrong and something that I was worried that the FO shared. But as the level of competition increased I started to focus on Fox' defensive game and was blown away by it. I then realized that Fox wasn't a less talented version of DeAngelo, he was more akin to a significantly more talented version of Strålman - which is not only a better fit for our roster but perhaps a more valuable player overall (depending on where the two ultimately end up).

Ultimately the role he is vying for is Trouba's and going by the play of the two this season I'd say he is already ahead.
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This is exactly right in my opinion. I think what we might be looking at right now in Fox and Deangelo are a poor man’s Leetch and Zubov. To what degree they are “poor man’s” versions is obviously TBD, but I think the role/skill set analogy is very reasonable.

Trouba made sense at the time he was acquired. He doesn’t anymore. It’s a shitty situation. He’s a good player and would look great on a first pairing next to a true #1 LD, but we have superior players at his position and can’t afford to both pay him and limit the ice time of said superior players.
 
Synergy27 said:
This is exactly right in my opinion. I think what we might be looking at right now in Fox and Deangelo are a poor man’s Leetch and Zubov. To what degree they are “poor man’s” versions is obviously TBD, but I think the role/skill set analogy is very reasonable.

Trouba made sense at the time he was acquired. He doesn’t anymore. It’s a shitty situation. He’s a good player and would look great on a first pairing next to a true #1 LD, but we have superior players at his position and can’t afford to both pay him and limit the ice time of said superior players.
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So Rangers. Didn’t have a good RHD for years and all of the sudden they have too many. Still, it’s a good problem. If Trouba was more important to the team that would mean Fox not doing as well.

Also I was watching Game 7 1994 SCF on Saturday and I had the same exact thought. Really did see the similarities between them (and also Lindgren being Beukeboom’s role next to Leetch, roughing dudes up and taking a beating, job is basically to cover his partner, lay out players, and just give the puck to Leetch/Fox).
 
aufheben said:
So Rangers. Didn’t have a good RHD for years and all of the sudden they have too many. Still, it’s a good problem. If Trouba was more important to the team that would mean Fox not doing as well.

Also I was watching Game 7 1994 SCF on Saturday and I had the same exact thought. Really did see the similarities between them (and also Lindgren being Beukeboom’s role next to Leetch, roughing dudes up and taking a beating, job is basically to cover his partner, lay out players, and just give the puck to Leetch/Fox).
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I really think the comparison is legitimate. Comparing players to HOFers is always a losing proposition, but it’s valid here from a role/skills perspective.

Brian Leetch was an outstanding all around defenseman whose defense was overshadowed by his offense. Fox feels like a very similar player, but maybe in reverse (solid defense skills overshadow his puck skills).

Tony D just reeks of Zubov though, pretty much in every way. Amazing passer, really good skater, great puck handler and distributor from the point. He’s basically the ideal 2nd pairing even strength PPQB RD. Let’s find him a Kevin Lowe and chill for a few years, eh?
 
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is Nils saying his goodbye? Is Nils close to signing with Rangers? Translator please from his Instagram page
 
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UnSandvich said:
Per google translate, "Thanks for this year Lulea Hockey & Lulea Fans". Also, a quick google search suggests that's Lias' instagram account as well that liked the post. Whether that means anything major, idk, but just food for thought
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Well, they spoke several times after Lias moved back to Sweden and are quite close. There's a lot of contact between the Swedish prospects among each other. Especially Edström, Andersson and Lundkvist.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Fox has the potential to be the bell cow of the defense. My only reservation with him is speed (hes solidly built at 5'11" and 195) because while I wouldn't classify him as a bad skater, he is going to be vulnerable to the faster players in the league off the rush.

Unless DeAngelo moves over to the left (which the Staff really needs to give an honest try) I'm not sure where Nils fits in here. Trouba isn't going anywhere and I doubt he will be as good as strong an all around D as Fox and I really, really doubt he'll be as dynamic as DeAngelo is on Offense.

There is room for all 3, But Quinns going to have to wise up for it to be a reality.
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Well if speed is an issue I would say he is already as fast or an even quicker skater than Trouba. I can't emphasize this enough, the rangers need to trade Trouba. Fox does exactly what we expected from Trouba but better, while Trouba has not impressed me at all. In a vacuum Fox is already the better player. Add in age and contract and it is not even close.
 
Blue Blooded said:
I've been thinking the same all year.

When Fox came to the Rangers this summer he was billed as a 1-way offensive defenceman and therefore would be in direct competition with DeAngelo going forward. So that was the lens I saw Fox' game through in Traverse and while he put up an insane amount of points it still stood very clear to me that he wasn't nearly as dynamic as DeAngelo and that he just doesn't have the talent/skill level to reach all the way there. Going into training camp I felt like the sentiment that Fox was going to be able to replace DeAngelo was both wrong and something that I was worried that the FO shared. But as the level of competition increased I started to focus on Fox' defensive game and was blown away by it. I then realized that Fox wasn't a less talented version of DeAngelo, he was more akin to a significantly more talented version of Strålman - which is not only a better fit for our roster but perhaps a more valuable player overall (depending on where the two ultimately end up).

Ultimately the role he is vying for is Trouba's and going by the play of the two this season I'd say he is already ahead.
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The consensus was DeAngelo, Fox & Lundkvist were all the same kind of player who will be eventually fighting for the same spot; while Trouba was that responsible shutdown guy in a league of his own. I know my feelings about Trouba are a meme around here at this point, but I don't see how he isn't the odd man out now. I think Fox is emerging as the all-situations guy Trouba was supposed to be, DeAngelo is in a league of his own when it comes to offensive skill, and Lundkvist is actually a very steady player defensively as well. A lot of scouting reports on Lundkvist prior to the draft were that he was a solid all around defenseman and not exactly the most talented offensively, but he's broke out offensively this season. I think a lot of people assume he's one dimensional because he's a small-ish Swede.

I think we're building a really solid all around d core with one of the most dynamic offensive dmen in the league in DeAngelo, a poised all around dman in Fox, and a meat & potatoes guy in Lindgren. Especially when you take age & contracts into account, I think those guys excel at all those categories to a degree that Trouba simply doesn't. Trouba doesn't have the hockey IQ of Fox. Trouba doesn't have the offensive flash & swagger of DeAngelo. Trouba isn't as much of a warrior nor can he skate like Lindgren. Insert a hulking beast who can skate very well in Miller & a puck moving dman who's responsible defensively in Lundkvist and I think we're set for the future. Every player brings something completely different to the table.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
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The consensus was DeAngelo, Fox & Lundkvist were all the same kind of player who will be eventually fighting for the same spot; while Trouba was that responsible shutdown guy in a league of his own. I know my feelings about Trouba are a meme around here at this point, but I don't see how he isn't the odd man out now. I think Fox is emerging as the all-situations guy Trouba was supposed to be, DeAngelo is in a league of his own when it comes to offensive skill, and Lundkvist is actually a very steady player defensively as well. A lot of scouting reports on Lundkvist prior to the draft were that he was a solid all around defenseman and not exactly the most talented offensively, but he's broke out offensively this season. I think a lot of people assume he's one dimensional because he's a small-ish Swede.

I think we're building a really solid all around d core with one of the most dynamic offensive dmen in the league in DeAngelo, a poised all around dman in Fox, and a meat & potatoes guy in Lindgren. Especially when you take age & contracts into account, I think those guys excel at all those categories to a degree that Trouba simply doesn't. Trouba doesn't have the hockey IQ of Fox. Trouba doesn't have the offensive flash & swagger of DeAngelo. Trouba isn't as much of a warrior nor can he skate like Lindgren. Insert a hulking beast who can skate very well in Miller & a puck moving dman who's responsible defensively in Lundkvist and I think we're set for the future. Every player brings something completely different to the table.
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If your really projecting down the line and everything does fall into place

Miller Fox
Lindgren DeAngelo
Robertson Lundkvist

Like you guys said the diversity of talent there is crazy high, theres skating, size, physicality, snarl and a ton of skill. A few years down the line these guys are in their mid 20s and TDA is a 28 year old vet
 
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B17 Apricots said:
If your really projecting down the line and everything does fall into place

Miller Fox
Lindgren DeAngelo
Robertson Lundkvist

Like you guys said the diversity of talent there is crazy high, theres skating, size, physicality, snarl and a ton of skill. A few years down the line these guys are in their mid 20s and TDA is a 28 year old vet
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I really don't see where Trouba fits in the picture here. But what are the real chances the rangers will actually trade him? Seems like the organization is contempt with keeping him, which boggles my mind considering the the rangers young D situation.
 
The New Russian Five said:
I really don't see where Trouba fits in the picture here. But what are the real chances the rangers will actually trade him? Seems like the organization is contempt with keeping him, which boggles my mind considering the the rangers young D situation.
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That's how I feel, and I like Trouba it's just with the players that are here and that he's the 5th highest paid defenseman in the league he's my odd man out as well
 
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