Prospect Info: Nils Lundkvist: Part II

[The New Russian Five]

That's how I feel, and I like Trouba it's just with the players that are here and that he's the 5th highest paid defenseman in the league he's my odd man out as well

Having a player like Trouba made sense if we were looking at our D situation this time last year where things were still looking a bit bleak for the future. But the emergence of Fox, DeAngelo, and Lindgren all playing well above expectation and then having Lundkvist, Robertson, and Zac Jones making great strides in their development... Trouba is likely to be pushed down the depth chart rather quickly. Not good when you are paying him a crazy 8mil cap hit every year.

 

[haveandare]

I really don't see where Trouba fits in the picture here. But what are the real chances the rangers will actually trade him? Seems like the organization is contempt with keeping him, which boggles my mind considering the the rangers young D situation.

He fits in as the top pairing RD right now. That lineup is half guys who haven’t played a game in this league yet. If they all pan out, you figure it out then with the advantage of knowing what you have.

 

[n8]

yeah, i like Trouba. I just hate his NTC. In principle, I'm against giving any player a NTC. 10 team limited maybe but shouldn't exceed a point where it cripples the team. I think Trouba would have been good for us for 2-3 season and then trade him off for some good assets to a team like Florida where his gf goes to school. Both sides happy.

 

[RangerBoy]

“This season he made many positive strides in his development,” Gajdosik said. “He is stronger, gained lots of confidence; his passing, skating and mobility is outstanding. He significantly improved his shot. As a right-handed defenseman, he plays on the left side on power play and his one-time shot is very good now."

Gajdosik also raved about Lundkvist’s improved transition game, specifically his “ability to find teammates with long-distance passes and see the options.”

“He brought it to another level,” he said of Lundkvist’s defensive game. “He plays firmer in his own end; has good push back. He uses his stick very well when defends and closes the gap quick. His mobility allows him to join offensive rush and easily recover with his skating ability. With more experience and confidence, he also elevates his physical game.”

“He is on the right track (as) his game gains complexity,” Gajdosik said. “I am sure he will be pushing hard for the spot in the New York Rangers’ lineup in the next season. He is ready to fight for the spot with the big team.”

 

[ThirdEye]

Having a player like Trouba made sense if we were looking at our D situation this time last year where things were still looking a bit bleak for the future. But the emergence of Fox, DeAngelo, and Lindgren all playing well above expectation and then having Lundkvist, Robertson, and Zac Jones making great strides in their development... Trouba is likely to be pushed down the depth chart rather quickly. Not good when you are paying him a crazy 8mil cap hit every year.

It's entirely conceivable that one of the three youngsters takes a decent sized step back next season and Trouba takes a step forward. It's a little too soon to make a judgement as to whether we need him or not going forward

 

[The New Russian Five]

It's entirely conceivable that one of the three youngsters takes a decent sized step back next season and Trouba takes a step forward. It's a little too soon to make a judgement as to whether we need him or not going forward

Do you want wager 8mil of cap space for the next 6 years on that? That's really what we are talking about here. Any most analysis of Trouba before even became a ranger shows that he was overrated to begin with. I don't anticipate seeing him get much better? While the other three (ADA, Fox, Lunds) are all blue chip young players/prospects that are more likely to grow than move backward.

If Trouba didn't have his NMC kick in after July 1st I'd say sure, let's see how this pans out one more year. But the stakes of keeping him after July 1st are just way too high when you consider the cap hit he brings.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Do you want wager 8mil of cap space for the next 6 years on that? That's really what we are talking about here. Any most analysis of Trouba before even became a ranger shows that he was overrated to begin with. I don't anticipate seeing him get much better? While the other three (ADA, Fox, Lunds) are all blue chip young players/prospects that are more likely to grow than move backward.

If Trouba didn't have his NMC kick in after July 1st I'd say sure, let's see how this pans out one more year. But the stakes of keeping him after July 1st are just way too high when you consider the cap hit he brings.

Rangers aren't trading Trouba, a year after signing him long-term. Trouba is still our 2nd best defenseman after Fox this past season. And one of the reasons Fox and DeAngelo got a chance to shine is because Trouba takes away the tougher minutes

 

[The New Russian Five]

Rangers aren't trading Trouba, a year after signing him long-term. Trouba is still our 2nd best defenseman after Fox this past season. And one of the reasons Fox and DeAngelo got a chance to shine is because Trouba takes away the tougher minutes

He is getting paid 8mill to be our top pairing guy, but you just sais yourself our rookie D is already ahead of him taking that slot. So we are all ok with paying Trouba 8mill a year to be our 2nd pair defenseman? Especially when we have very good young players that can fill that role for much cheaper?

I also question whether Trouba's defensive game is really that much better than DeAngelo's. I see Trouba getting beat on the rush A LOT. Like a lot, a lot.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He is getting paid 8mill to be our top pairing guy, but you just sais yourself our rookie D is already ahead of him taking that slot. So we are all ok with paying Trouba 8mill a year to be our 2nd pair defenseman? Especially when we have very good young players that can fill that role for much cheaper?

I also question whether Trouba's defensive game is really that much better than DeAngelo's. I see Trouba getting beat on the rush A LOT. Like a lot, a lot.

Well, by this logic Carolina should just trade Teravainen, because they have Svechnikov

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rangers aren't trading Trouba, a year after signing him long-term. Trouba is still our 2nd best defenseman after Fox this past season. And one of the reasons Fox and DeAngelo got a chance to shine is because Trouba takes away the tougher minutes

no he shouldn’t be moved, yes he’s important but he’s been a clear 4th amongst our D this year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

no he shouldn’t be moved, yes he’s important but he’s been a clear 4th amongst our D this year.

Love Lindgren but no way I’m arguing he’s been better than Trouba this season. I think Trouba’s had an up and down year, but when he’s been good he’s been damn good. I think a year of familiarity in the system will help him be a bit more steady, but I think he’ll always be a bit of a wild bull out there. He’ll take chances to push the puck and he gets burned for it (so does ADA tho).

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He is getting paid 8mill to be our top pairing guy, but you just sais yourself our rookie D is already ahead of him taking that slot. So we are all ok with paying Trouba 8mill a year to be our 2nd pair defenseman? Especially when we have very good young players that can fill that role for much cheaper?

I also question whether Trouba's defensive game is really that much better than DeAngelo's. I see Trouba getting beat on the rush A LOT. Like a lot, a lot.

Ya and I see Deangelo losing puck battles because of his size every game. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[nyr2k2]

Trouba is not a legitimate #1 defenseman who can carry his partner. He's more like a complimentary #2. But if you find him another #2 or #3 or just someone who complements his game, I'm sure he'll be great. Morrissey-Trouba was a great all-around top pairing, bit now that they're separated, they've both had some struggles. Just need to find a good partner for Trouba.

 

[eco's bones]

Trouba gets the hard assignments but also he and Lindgren are the ones who add muscle, edge and grit to our blueline. This is important for the goalies particularly to not have opposing forwards getting a free ride to set up in front of them. The Rangers more or less backed off of putting Trouba in offensive situations as the season went along--his numbers plateaued but it opened up more opportunity for Fox and DeAngelo to play to their more creative offensive games. This is all about balance. A team is not going to do so well with 6 smallish puck moving offensive minded defensemen--you need other elements on your blueline---some size and strength, some guys who excel more in defensive situations. Trouba's good enough where he can put up points but it's not that necessary that he does when Fox and DeAngelo can do a little more in that area.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Ya and I see Deangelo losing puck battles because of his size every game. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

So we can both agree that defensively they are both not very good. And I'm sure offensively DeAngelo is miles ahead of him. But DeAngelo will likely be a $5.5-6mill defenseman while Trouba an $8mill defenseman. But somehow DeAngelo is the one you rather trade than Trouba?

 

[Raspewtin]

Trouba's lows have been incredibly low but his highs have been pretty high.

all in all there's no way he has been a top 3 D on the team imo and certainly not a top pair D

 

[The New Russian Five]

Well, by this logic Carolina should just trade Teravainen, because they have Svechnikov

This is a serious apples to oranges comparison of the situations on the two teams. Teravainen only makes 5.5 mill a year (which unlike Trouba, plays to the value of his contract) and plays a forward position. As a forward, which line you are on has less meaning than on defense. Plus the rangers have 3 RD (2 on the roster and 1 coming up) with high level top 4 talent. Carolina doesn't 4 RW that are capable of playing on the top 2 lines.

 

[Vitto79]

Worlds cancelled so Nils can sign now

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Worlds cancelled so Nils can sign now

Yes. I expect every federation to release its players, including Sweden.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Trouba is not a legitimate #1 defenseman who can carry his partner. He's more like a complimentary #2. But if you find him another #2 or #3 or just someone who complements his game, I'm sure he'll be great. Morrissey-Trouba was a great all-around top pairing, bit now that they're separated, they've both had some struggles. Just need to find a good partner for Trouba.

I don't disagree at all with the evaluation of Trouba, but I question allocating $8M of cap space over 6 years to that kind of player with the RD corps we have. Unfortunately you have to take that decision this summer already as his NMC kicks in.

I don't see moving him being particularly difficult if you tried without movement restrictions and having him locked into term (which made teams gunshy in the past).

 

[cwede]

I think there is no way Trouba is moved soon, so soon after signing, and adding the context of the Shatty buyout.
I also think he hasnt been bad, and for many vets, their first year in NYC is an adjustment.
And i believe Trouba playing his minutes has actually supported, contributed to, the breakout seasons by the other 2 RHD.

When Nils is ready, if it gets to point of NYR having 4 RHD among their top 6 healthy D, there will be ways to make it work, Tony D has offside experience, and from highlights i've seen, it seems so does Nils.
And if 12-30 months NYR decide to trade ADA, if his play has maintained its level, the return will be signifigant.

For short and mid term, this depth at a key position is a huge difference maker.
This aint NHL 21, having all your guys haelthy and available at once isnt common, and while NYR havent had the 4-8 key guys out at once issue we've seen other teams face, any year now, they could.

Nils incoming is a blessing, hopefully a big deal before long, but we're not yet at the point of clearing a spot for him just yet.

 

[ElLeetch]

I don't disagree at all with the evaluation of Trouba, but I question allocating $8M of cap space over 6 years to that kind of player with the RD corps we have. Unfortunately you have to take that decision this summer already as his NMC kicks in.
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Well, we didn't *know* what kind of RD corps we had. Fox had 0 NHL games, ADA had a good, but up and down rookie year, and Lindkvist hadn't broken out yet. 12 months ago, Trouba was a player we desperately needed.

 

[True Blue]

Having a player like Trouba made sense if we were looking at our D situation this time last year where things were still looking a bit bleak for the future. But the emergence of Fox, DeAngelo, and Lindgren all playing well above expectation and then having Lundkvist, Robertson, and Zac Jones making great strides in their development... Trouba is likely to be pushed down the depth chart rather quickly. Not good when you are paying him a crazy 8mil cap hit every year.

Trouba was a good idea then. He is a good idea now. He will be a good idea in the future.

Robertson?? Jones? Lundqvist? The chances of all three becoming productive NHLers is slim to none. The chances that ANY of them will be able to play on a top pair against the oppositions top players is even less than that. And while we all love what the young defensemen have done this year, we all should also realize that none of them, at least for the lion's part of the season, had Trouba's usage. They were all effectively sheltered by the time that Trouba had, in the defensive zone and against the opposition's top players.

 

[True Blue]

no he shouldn’t be moved, yes he’s important but he’s been a clear 4th amongst our D this year.

I like a lot of your posts, but this is about as a scorching hot take as any.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Well, we didn't *know* what kind of RD corps we had. Fox had 0 NHL games, ADA had a good, but up and down rookie year, and Lindkvist hadn't broken out yet. 12 months ago, Trouba was a player we desperately needed.

I agree with that, but the facts on the ground have changed and Trouba does not yet have a movement clause so trading him and the rest of his contract before it kicks in is feasible.

If you have Patrick Kane, Mark Stone and Nashville-era James Neal at RW and don't plan keeping all of them, you trade Neal even if you just gave him a new contract based on how he did in Pittsburgh. (Patrice Bergeron is probably a better forward archetype for Fox, but he doesn't play RW).