Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy
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mkatcherin00
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He does get some nice treatment. He speared a Flames player last game at the blueline and the refs just looked at it like it was nothing lol. To huberdeau
Avs tops in the league in pps now 5 or six straight years
Whining means nothing either. They always say treat the refs nicely but Mackinnon is probably the biggest whiner I've seen in the league
If somebody else even chucks their helmet at a player its a one game suspension
Great player though
Only guy to me who can match McDavid in spurts and also look better than McDavid for stages of season
Difference is McDavid was doing it from game one. Took Mackinnon a while. I still Remeber avs fans talking about trading Mackinnon or if he would ever be elite
Mack embellished, no doubt. But the reason the refs "fell" for this was because it was a penalty and the nucks were kind of on their third strike that PP. 2 missed calls happened on the Avs PP before this penalty was called.
So was it a soft call and embellishment by Mack? Yeah.
Was it deserved to be called a pen? I'd say yeah as well
a mangy Meowth
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Hold on, are the people upset about him embellishing the hook suggesting that he's also acting hurt?
He doesn't even wave his hand like he got slashed lol. Why are you guys acting like he's playing up an injury when he clearly doesn't? Yes, he embellished that hook big time it's pretty hilarious actually, but he's not acting like he got slashed on the hand lmao you guys are so funny
He doesn't even wave his hand like he got slashed lol. Why are you guys acting like he's playing up an injury when he clearly doesn't? Yes, he embellished that hook big time it's pretty hilarious actually, but he's not acting like he got slashed on the hand lmao you guys are so funny
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In the last six seasons, Colorado has had 1,511 powerplay opportunities.After around 6 years of having the best penalty differential in the NHL Avs fans are never allowed to complain about officiating again.
They think the world owes them powerplays at this point.
Second is Florida with 1,425
Nobody else is over 1,400.
Colorado's net penalties is +176 over that time. Next closest is 116. Only 3 teams are over 100.
It's not a conspiracy when people say that the Avalanche sure seem to get a lot of benefit of the doubt on the penalty side of things.
Why are we talking about penalties in an Art Ross thread lol
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When you are good and have the puck a lot, you get powerplays is my take on things like that.
a mangy Meowth
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So is it a conspiracy or are they legitimate penalties? That shows they average about 6% more penalty opps than 2nd place Florida per season. Does that honestly seem that egregious to you? What percentage of those 1511 opps do you think were gifted to them, as opposed to being earned one way or another?
Please keep in mind with your quoted number of 1,511 opps, a lot of those are going to include things like delay of game - not subjective penalties. Also the Avs are a very fast skating team.
Kucherov and McDavid both play ~7-10 very easy opponents between now and year end, versus around ~4 for MacKinnon.
A bit subjective what's an "easy" opponent, but trying to use the line as teams eliminated from playoffs (or just about, ie Pitt is quite low and counts).
So - even though MacKinnon has a decent gap as of today, still plenty of time and games for both Kucherov and McDavid to catch up still.
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The fact that McDavid and Mackinnon haven’t played yet and are going to play 3 times in the last 15~17 games is crazy. Could decide the whole race.
Not a conspiracy, but not necessarily fact either. I'm not arguing one way or another as I don't watch nearly enough of their games to have an opinion. Only comment I'd have is that a team could lead the league in PP opportunities and also have the fewest PKs and still get the short end of the still on calls....but agree that the stats seem to suggest they don't have much to complain about. I equate it to a game where a team has 5 PPs and their opponents had 0. Doesn't mean that the team benefited from the reffing any more than the other team.....what if they should have had 12 PPs and only got 5?
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That’s what happens when you have a loaded offensive core. I wonder if there’s a correlation to penalties drawn vs offensive zone control time on 5v5? I bet there is.
Yes, this is normally the idea and unfortunately, there is evening up type calls and lack of calls that would be made in other situations....even in minor hockey. There have been so many times when I see a play against my son's team and I'm like, come on, where's the call? And friend standing next to me would say, yeah, we're up 5-1, no way they are making that call.....it happens.
This is similar to a player that seems to draw more penalties than everyone else.....doesn't mean he's getting preferential treatment, normally means he has the puck more than other players.
I haven't looked at schedules, but I wouldn't necessarily look at who is playing "easy" opponents, I'd look at who is playing teams that give up a lot of goals. There are teams that are tough to beat because they score a lot, but also give up a lot. There are also other teams that struggle to win, but do an ok job keeping the puck out of their net.
That a weight towards McDavid's favor as well due to COL giving up more goals per game than EDM
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IMO I don’t think this really tells anything, but the past two seasons McDavid has 7 points in 6 games against Colorado, whereas Mack has 10 in 6 games. So if we’re trying to find some kind of advantage, it probably goes to Mack. If you’re McDavid, you probably want to avoid the Makar-Toews pairing because they’re probably like the only d-pair that could actually keep up with him.
This. Whining about MacK being an explosive skater with the ability to make you pay on a lazy play like that is absolutely ridiculous. Not sure how people can defend the penalty because MacK didn't get hurt on the play.
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It wasn't his own helmet, it was the other players and he was handing it back and you know what? It was hilarious!
MacK is a superstar and gets superstar treatment, yes. So does McDavid, Crosby, ect.
That penalty is a great example of how MacK gets held up more than almost any other player in the league. He has a more explosive first and second step then anyone I have ever seen, including McDavid and stuff like that happens to him all the time.
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It's interesting, actually
from an XGF% perspective, here are the top 5 teams in the NHL over the last 3 seasons, with their net penalty rankings in brackets
Carolina (27th)
Florida (22nd)
Edmonton (26th)
Calgary (20th)
Boston (28th)
And here are the top 5 teams in net penalty differential, with their 5v5 XGF% ranks in brackets:
Pittsburgh (9)
Colorado (11)
Vancouver (20)
Winnipeg (15)
Vegas (13)
It really doesn't seem that carrying the play 5v5 is leading to penalty calls, at least not in the last three years or so.
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