Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[Video Nasty]

Comparing McDavid's last 3 years

After 33 games
21-22: 53 points
22-23: 64 points
23-24: 53 points

And to further break it down:

21-22: 32 points in first 17 games, 21 points in next 16 games

22-23: 32 points in first 17 games, 32 points in next 16 games

23-24: 20 points in first 17 games, 33 points in next 16 games

Since we know why he had a cold start this season, his numbers seem to be tracking with last year.

Which points to 140 points in 80 games by the end of the year. Would be perhaps just as remarkable as his 153 in 82 games when factoring in missing 2 games due to injury and being rushed back to play with it for another 8 or so games.

Can’t wait to see what he has in store for his remaining 47 games.

 

[Canovin]

McDavid has 4 games in hand to close the 10 points gap

 

[rojac]

I put the Pearson above it. Not sure why you would want to defend the writers. These are the ones that voted Ovechkin onto the year end all star team as both left and right wing. Theodore won the Hart because a Montreal writer left Iginla off the ballot.

It's a shame that the trophies are decided by people like this.

It hasn't been called the Pearson since 2010 when they changed it to the Lindsay, but that's beside the point.

I wasn't defending the writers. I was basically just saying that the only people who should put any value on awards that they decide (like the Hart) are those who respect the writers and their opinions.

Personally, I'm not big on individual awards in a team sport, so I really don't care that much about either the Hart or the Lindsay.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Interesting. Kuch wins in 19. Deals with injuries since. Comes back fully healthy n leading. Very curious indeed....

 

[Video Nasty]

Interesting. Kuch wins in 19. Deals with injuries since. Comes back fully healthy n leading. Very curious indeed....

Of course don’t let a little fact like being healthy last season and getting torn apart by 40 points stand in the way of your narrative.

 

[crowfish]

Something tells me the "Power play merchant" excuse is going to die a quick death, like all the other delusional theories that try to discredit his greatness.

Pro tip: if your excuse for explaining away someone's greatness could also be copied by any player (but isn't), then it is a delusional theory.

"Soft Canadian division is the only reason he got all those points" - meanwhile nobody else seemed to take advantage of this "soft" division and posted historic numbers

"He only got 150 points because he is a powerplay merchant" - I wasn't aware that McDavid was the only player allowed to score on the powerplay? Shouldn't others want to be merchants as well to help their team score goals??

 

[Grifter3511]

I put the Pearson above it. Not sure why you would want to defend the writers. These are the ones that voted Ovechkin onto the year end all star team as both left and right wing. Theodore won the Hart because a Montreal writer left Iginla off the ballot.

Its a shame that the trophies are decided by people like this.

Can you point to a single style of 'vote based awarding' that isn't subject to bias and favoritism?

 

[Bank Shot]

Can you point to a single style of 'vote based awarding' that isn't subject to bias and favoritism?

Nope. But I still like the GMs voting for the Vezina over the writers voting on anything.

Nothing is perfect but I'd rather see people with actual expertise be voters.

 

[Buck Naked]

Nope. But I still like the GMs voting for the Vezina over the writers voting on anything.

Nothing is perfect but I'd rather see people with actual expertise be voters.

Since when is a GM a goalie expert? They employ experts to help them make informed decisions, they're generally by no means experts themselves.

 

[Bank Shot]

Since when is a GM a goalie expert? They employ experts to help them make informed decisions, they're generally by no means experts themselves.

I mean they can ask their goalie guru for input on their vote if they want. Some GMs are ex goalies as well.

They have infinitely more expertise than any one of the beat writers. Most hockey writers don't know anything, and most just follow their own team.

GMs and the like should vote on all awards and the media should stick to recording soundbites.

 

[Mr Buckles]

Tie game:

 

[DrDangles]

This is gonna be a fun second half to the season, hopefully all 3 of them can stay healthy.

 

[TheStatican]

And there you have it - Mac's caught up to him already, closing a gap of 11 points in just one month and there's still more than a half season to go.

He’s been on fire since the beginning of the season topping it off with a 6 point performance today.

35 points in 20 games (143 point pace), 4 more than Hughes. 15 more than McDavid

Not sure why people thought old man Kuch had the legs to sustain a 140+ point pace - at no point has he ever scored at that rate, not even in his Art Ross winning season. It wasn't about to happen in his age 30 season.

Of course don’t let a little fact like being healthy last season and getting torn apart by 40 points stand in the way of your narrative.

Kuch is one thing and McDavid's season last year was historic but at the same time the only reason why he won by a margin of 40 points over a non-teammate was because MacKinnon missed nearly a dozen games. McDavid's margin of victory would have been about 20, and this year it's going to be much less than that. I still have him winning but only by a handful of points over Mac who will take the Hart, baring injuries ofc.

 

[authentic]

Tie game:
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This was bound to happen sooner or later. All he has to worry about now is McDavid.

 

[MessierII]

Big OT goal by McKinnon. He’s been fire.

 

[Seanaconda]

I hope kucherov wins just cuz he gets put below matthews on best player lists often enough.

It seems like Noone ever gives this guy any credit

I really hope Mac doesn't win. He seems annoying with his diet stuff

 

[authentic]

I hope kucherov wins just cuz he gets put below matthews on best player lists often enough.

It seems like Noone ever gives this guy any credit

Kucherov will not win. Since Matthews has been healthy he’s scoring more points again anyway despite most of those points being goals. I say that while having Kucherov in my hockey pool over MacKinnon, unfortunately he will be left behind by the end of the season by MacK and especially McDavid.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I hope kucherov wins just cuz he gets put below matthews on best player lists often enough.

It seems like Noone ever gives this guy any credit

I really hope Mac doesn't win. He seems annoying with his diet stuff

What do you have vs chickpeas? They hurt nobody

 

[TheStatican]

Kucherov will not win. Since Matthews has been healthy he’s scoring more points again anyway despite most of those points being goals. I say that while having Kucherov in my hockey pool over MacKinnon, unfortunately he will be left behind by the end of the season by MacK and especially McDavid.

Can you do trades in your hockey pool lol? Might want to consider it...
Kidding ofc. Still a good choice, I'm sure Kuch will end up with well over 100 and likely a career high in goals

 

[authentic]

Can you do trades in your hockey pool lol? Might want to consider it...
Kidding ofc. Still a good choice, I'm sure Kuch will end up with well over 100 and likely a career high in goals

Oh you can do trades, too bad I used them all up already. Kucherov was one of the players I traded for early on before it became apparent to me that MacKinnon would pass him.

 

[Video Nasty]

Kuch is one thing and McDavid's season last year was historic but at the same time the only reason why he won by a margin of 40 points over a non-teammate was because MacKinnon missed nearly a dozen games. McDavid's margin of victory would have been about 20, and this year it's going to be much less than that. I still have him winning but only by a handful of points over Mac who will take the Hart, baring injuries ofc.

“Kuch is one thing.”

You mean the thing in the quote that I responded to lol?

As for MacKinnon, “pace” takes him to 128 last season, the same as Drai, a 25 point gap, or 19.5%.

For a guy called the Statician, about 20 is being pretty loose with the numbers.

 

[TheStatican]

Oh you can do trades, too bad I used them all up already. Kucherov was one of the players I traded for early on before it became apparent to me that MacKinnon would pass him.

As they say, too soon man, too soon. But hard to blame yourself for not predicting THIS;

“Kuch is one thing.”

You mean the thing in the quote that I responded to lol?

As for MacKinnon, “pace” takes him to 128 last season, the same as Drai, a 25 point gap, or 19.5%.

For a guy called the Statician, about 20 is being pretty loose with the numbers.

Had you looked even the slightest bit deeper into MacKinnon's injury last season you might have took note that he only played in a little more than half of one period in the game he was injured in. But sure, if you enjoy being disingenuous go ahead and count his 4 minutes and change as a full games worth of production. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised given Nasty is a part of your name. Btw "About" means "used to indicate movement within a particular area"

What adds an extra layer of bemusement to the above is that you seemingly can't help but mention McDavid's injury every single chance you can get these days as an excuse for his own reduced production;

Would be perhaps just as remarkable as his 153 in 82 games when factoring in missing 2 games due to injury and being rushed back to play with it for another 8 or so games.

Of course, it is predictable fodder for the future when we will have to listen how it took McDavid all season to gain the lead, while ignoring his injury where he missed 2 games and was rushed back early to then play like a shell of himself for 9 games,

Oh the irony.

 

[Video Nasty]

As they say, too soon man, too soon. But hard to blame yourself for not predicting THIS;
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Had you looked even the slightest bit deeper into MacKinnon's injury last season you might have took note that he only played in a little more than half of one period in the game he was injured in. But sure, if you enjoy being disingenuous go ahead and count his 4 minutes and change as a full games worth of production. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised given Nasty is a part of your name. Btw "About" means "used to indicate movement within a particular area"

What adds an extra layer of bemusement to the above is that you seemingly can't help but mention McDavid's injury every single chance you can get these days as an excuse for his own reduced production;


Oh the irony.

Why don’t you just admit that your initial response was uncalled for, considering I was quoting someone talking specifically about Kucherov?

I can easily admit that I wasn’t aware of the half a period of play that you’re citing for MacKinnon. It’s not that hard for me to do so, despite it being a bit unfair that I’m being dragged into this bizarre argument for no reason.

I think I’ve made my thoughts clear about pace for players who are not Gretzky, Lemieux, and McDavid. I think it’s a bit generous to pro-rate MacKinnon into the #2 spot last year, considering we’ve seen him falter down the stretch before (2018), but to each their own.

McDavid has 37 points in his past 17 games and 4-5 games in hand on the two players ahead of him. Don’t worry, he’ll have as many Art Rosses as Howe and Lemieux in a few months time.

 

[authentic]

As they say, too soon man, too soon. But hard to blame yourself for not predicting THIS;
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Had you looked even the slightest bit deeper into MacKinnon's injury last season you might have took note that he only played in a little more than half of one period in the game he was injured in. But sure, if you enjoy being disingenuous go ahead and count his 4 minutes and change as a full games worth of production. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised given Nasty is a part of your name. Btw "About" means "used to indicate movement within a particular area"

What adds an extra layer of bemusement to the above is that you seemingly can't help but mention McDavid's injury every single chance you can get these days as an excuse for his own reduced production;


Oh the irony.

Didn’t realize he has been at 1.9 points per game for 29 games now. Is he really playing at the level of McDavid last season? Pretty crazy

 

[Dust]

This could be the most interesting art ross race in years.