Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[FrankSidebottom]

This is quite funny to rewatch now. 3.3% is what I call disrespect

Next Non-McDavid Art Ross winner

Who is more likely to win whenever it happens?

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[Spirits]

Tampa bay will always get hated on until they go off into a rebuild like the Hawks used to during their peak time

I don't believe people hate the Lightning. They were a dominant team that won multiple cups with this core and they don't have a fan base that is easy to hate (minus a few posters).

 

[wetcoast]

This is quite funny to rewatch now. 3.3% is what I call disrespect

Next Non-McDavid Art Ross winner

Who is more likely to win whenever it happens?

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Is it really disrespect of the fact that McDavid got an injury and Kuch is having a career year?

Pretty bold post now though eh?

 

[Spirits]

If MacKinnon wins the Hart without the Ross, it’ll be almost entirely because he is “due” and it’s “his turn”.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Is it really disrespect of the fact that McDavid got an injury and Kuch is having a career year?

Pretty bold post now though eh?

Someone didn't read the poll.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

If MacKinnon wins the Hart without the Ross, it’ll be almost entirely because he is “due” and it’s “his turn”. A difference between a 48 point gap and 29 point gap compared to their teammate is pretty massive. I don’t think MacK taking and losing about 80 more faceoffs than he wins closes that gap for me. If MacK wins the Ross, then fine, he has my (non-existent) vote.

You tie the hart entirely to the pts leader? That is also stupid. So, what you are saying is that IF the race ends 143-142 in favor of Kuch he deserves the hart, but if Mack got 1 more point he would have "deserved" it? That is ridiculous.

Both guys are deserving and it has nothing to do with 1-2 points either way. The voters will choose the player the think was the MVP and we will have to live with it, lots will agree, lots will disagree. But your logic is so flawed, why even have an MVP if you just assume the AR winner is the only one who deserves it?

If Kuch wins, we will hear the EN merchant whiners. If MacK wins, we will hear the "he was due" whiners.

Both players have a VERY VALID case to win the hart. Some posters are trying to start the narratives early on both sides so they have something where they can say "I called this way back, see, I told you!" and cling to that. Its dumb.

Voting isn't perfect, but if one of Kuch OR MacKinnon wins the Hart it won't be robbery. It will be a closely debated finish where 2 guys had historic seasons.

Right? If he loses by 1-2 points apparently if will be robbery but if he ends up tying in pts and getting the ross he will have "deserved" it. Some people think the 2 trophies are the same thing.

 

[wetcoast]

Someone didn't read the poll.

I'm switching from nightshift to dayshift to some other shift but fair point.

Kuch is having a career year at age 30 it's not disrespect it was the percentage play.

No doubt in the same poll in October this year 2024 Kuch will vote better and then be 31 and a non factor (once again a percentage play) these things happen but to call it disrespect.......really?

 

[WarriorofTime]

This is quite funny to rewatch now. 3.3% is what I call disrespect

Next Non-McDavid Art Ross winner

Who is more likely to win whenever it happens?

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I’m a no shame Bedard voter. Basic working theory that McDavid wins until he ages out then Bedard takes over as best

You tie the hart entirely to the pts leader? That is also stupid. So, what you are saying is that IF the race ends 143-142 in favor of Kuch he deserves the hart, but if Mack got 1 more point he would have "deserved" it? That is ridiculous.

Both guys are deserving and it has nothing to do with 1-2 points either way. The voters will choose the player the think was the MVP and we will have to live with it, lots will agree, lots will disagree. But your logic is so flawed, why even have an MVP is you just assume the AR winner is the only one who deserves it?

If Kuch wins, we will hear the EN merchant whiners. If MacK wins, we will hear the "he was due" whiners.

Both players have a VERY VALID case to win the hart. Some posters are trying to start the narratives early on both sides so they have something where they can say "I called this way back, see, I told you!" and cling to that. Its dumb.

Voting isn't perfect, but if one of Kuch OR MacKinnon wins the Hart it won't be robbery. It will be a closely debated finish where 2 guys had historic seasons.


Right? If he loses by 1-2 points apparently if will be robbery but if he ends up tying in pts and getting the ross he will have "deserved" it. Some people think the 2 trophies are the same thing.

Not every year, but this particular year because Kucherov factors into such a larger share of team goals.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

I’m a no shame Bedard voter. Basic working theory that McDavid wins until he ages out then Bedard takes over as best
Not every year, but this particular year because Kucherov factors into such a larger share of team goals.

but suddenly, if Kuch loses by 1 point MacKinnon "has your vote?" SO stupid

 

[WarriorofTime]

but suddenly, if Kuch loses by 1 point MacKinnon "has your vote?" SO stupid

Please leave the personal attacks out of it. Thanks.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I still have to go with MacKinnon for the Hart. That Avs forward group outside of 3 players isn't very strong and has been even weaker for a lot of the season when Nichushkin was out and they didn't have Middlestadt. Their goaltending has been pretty mediocre this season as well. It's pretty amazing what Mackinnon has done and where he has lead his team.

If I wanted to win the Cup, I would take Tampa's roster over Edmonton's or Colorado's. They underachieved this season but have a really good roster overall.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Please leave the personal attacks out of it. Thanks.

its not a "personal attack" lol I am saying your argument is very stupid. One player winning/losing the AR by a point should not dictate who you think wins the Hart. I think your logic is stupid, not you

 

[WarriorofTime]

its not a "personal attack" lol I am saying your argument is very stupid. One player winning/losing the AR by a point should not dictate who you think wins the Hart. I think your logic is stupid, not you

Stat awards always factor into the media voted awards. That’s not new.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Stat awards always factor into the media voted awards. That’s not new.

You literally said that if MacKinnon wins the AR he has your vote. You also said if he doesn't win the AR and gets the hart it would be only because he is "due" By that logic, the difference between deserving and not deserving the hart could come down to 1 point? See how dumb that is.

I don't think the voters always get it right, but thank god (at least I think) they don't simplify it to that level. A lot more goes into being an MVP than strictly pts. If its within a few points, its really dumb (in my opinion) to say one player is robbing the other.... BUT they had a few more pts they would have deserved it? So 1-2 pts is the difference between "deserving MVP" and only getting it because of some made up narrative some HF posters/Kucherov fans are clinging to?

 

[DrMartinVanNostrand]

He doesn't tho lol. McDavid doesn't go on the ice with the intention of padding his stats blatantly like Kucherov. Go look up the play from the other day where he literally cherry-picked in the neutral zone with his team having only a 1 goal lead.

I love how triggered people are that I am calling it out though lol

This is bullshit.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You literally said that if MacKinnon wins the AR he has your vote. You also said if he doesn't win the AR and gets the hart it would be only because he is "due" By that logic, the difference between deserving and not deserving the hart could come down to 1 point? See how dumb that is.

I don't think the voters always get it right, but thank god (at least I think) they don't simplify it to that level. A lot more goes into being an MVP than strictly pts. If its within a few points, its really dumb (in my opinion) to say one player is robbing the other.... BUT they had a few more pts they would have deserved it? So 1-2 pts is the difference between "deserving MVP" and only getting it because of some made up narrative some HF posters/Kucherov fans are clinging to?

Relax… what are you so worried about my own opinions on this for?

 

[RussianGuyovich]

I literally don’t care about the hart at all.

 

[Regal]

I’m a no shame Bedard voter. Basic working theory that McDavid wins until he ages out then Bedard takes over as best
Not every year, but this particular year because Kucherov factors into such a larger share of team goals.

The difference isn’t that big. Avs have 16 more goals than the Bolts, and Edmonton 5 fewer. Kucherov is in on 50%, McDavid 48% and MacKinnon 46%. For reference, McDavid in his 150+ point year last year was at 47%. So all are at a pretty awesome level in terms of offensive value to their teams. And Kucherov does the least outside of production.

 

[Spirits]

you're probably right, I just like to poke the bear sometimes

He has a Blackhawks avatar and he joined in June of 2010, you couldn't find a more obvious case of a bandwagon fan if you tried. I'm sure he has plenty of takes that aren't worth reading lol.

 

[ijuka]

This is quite funny to rewatch now. 3.3% is what I call disrespect

Next Non-McDavid Art Ross winner

Who is more likely to win whenever it happens?

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Something with a 3.3% probability still happens 3.3% of the time. And even if it does happen, that doesn't retrospectively make the 3.3% probability incorrect.

 

[Spirits]

Stanley Cup Champion Nathan MacKinnon
Stanley Cup Champion Nikita Kucherov
Connor McDavid

One hell of a race for the ages!

 

[22FUTON9]

Pretty basic level analysis but thought this was pretty interesting. You might agree/disagree with the metrics used, but it sums it up pretty well, every fanbase is probably going to see what they want to see, and dismiss metrics which favors their own argument

Honestly I’m an avs fan so of course I want Mack to win, but I think it’s almost a crapshoot at this point, and whoever comes on top is totally deserving of it, regardless of how many emptynetters or secondary assists they have.

The Art Ross Trophy Race: Who’s (Actually) Been the NHL’s Best Scorer?

Not all points are created equal. Who’s been more impressive: McDavid, MacKinnon or Kucherov?

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[Maelmoor]

Crazy that we already have 12 players with 87 or more points, which was the leading amount of points when Benn won the Art Ross in 14-15. By the end of the season we will most likely have around 20 players with more points!

 

[The Gongshow]

Mac and McDavid are both having great years, but without Kuch Tampa isn't a playoff team. When Vasy was our the first 1/4 of the season he carried the team to be around .500. Edmonton, Colorado and Tampa all have talented cores, but the point differences between Kuch and the next highest scoring Tampa player is pretty insane. Kuch has been responsible for majority of any offensive production.

Colorado still makes playoffs without MacKinnon. Edmonton, not sure. Tampa has been hot this last month but wad a dumpster fire for 60% of the year and we're lucky to stay afloat.

 

[DFC]

Mac and McDavid are both having great years, but without Kuch Tampa isn't a playoff team. When Vasy was our the first 1/4 of the season he carried the team to be around .500. Edmonton, Colorado and Tampa all have talented cores, but the point differences between Kuch and the next highest scoring Tampa player is pretty insane. Kuch has been responsible for majority of any offensive production.

Colorado still makes playoffs without MacKinnon. Edmonton, not sure. Tampa has been hot this last month but wad a dumpster fire for 60% of the year and we're lucky to stay afloat.

And when Vasy came back, he was roughly even with Johansson up until the TDL. Like .880 of .890. Not to mention we have like 3 total bonafide NHL defensemen, and two of them have had serious injury trouble.