Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[wetcoast]

If Tampa does not make the playoffs Kucherov should not win the Hart.

I won't be taking any questions.

It won't matter either way Mack is winning the hart, in part because he is due, but also because he is very worthy of winning it.

It's a very tight 3 way race to be sure but Mack is also the clear leader.

Kuch probably wins the Art ross at this point but the gap in actual offensive importance between him, Mak and McDavid is negligible and insignificant.

 

[Master P]

All three of these guys can be expected to have a decent amount of EN points. But one guy just sat a record in a league that’s over 100 years old.

Only on HFBoards could breaking a 100 year old scoring record be used against someone.

 

[hamzarocks]

Only on HFBoards could breaking a 100 year old scoring record be used against someone.

Thats the price for winning those cups

Tampa bay will always get hated on until they go off into a rebuild like the Hawks used to during their peak time

 

[Flat Ronnie]

It won't matter either way Mack is winning the hart, in part because he is due, but also because he is very worthy of winning it.

It's a very tight 3 way race to be sure but Mack is also the clear leader.

Kuch probably wins the Art ross at this point but the gap in actual offensive importance between him, Mak and McDavid is negligible and insignificant.

All of this is dumb

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Step out of the sand box guy.

“I don’t like that” must mean “it’s not” and “trolling on the internet”.

Why don’t you write a script that everyone else has to follow. The internet doesn’t allow you to bend others to your will. Maybe that’s more of a you problem.

I’m glad it’s you, the poster with no agenda, righting this wrong on HF

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Does setting the EN record kind of undermine his “instrumental to team success” argument since 10% of his points came in a scenario where his team was likely to win anyway and when there was no goalie?

You mean scoring to lock up a game when you have a one goal lead is now a negative thing?
That’s a slippery slope. How about excluding all points where a team has a 3 or more goal lead as most of those are meaningless.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Thats the price for winning those cups

Tampa bay will always get hated on until they go off into a rebuild like the Hawks used to during their peak time

Yeah. It rules.

 

[wetcoast]

All of this is dumb

What a convincing counter argument, it's reality dude deal with it.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Stratifying points is such loser talk.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

It won't matter either way Mack is winning the hart, in part because he is due, but also because he is very worthy of winning it.

It's a very tight 3 way race to be sure but Mack is also the clear leader.

Kuch probably wins the Art ross at this point but the gap in actual offensive importance between him, Mak and McDavid is negligible and insignificant.

Well that’s certainly an opinion.
And why do I feel like I’m replying to myself here when I look at your user name. lol.

 

[Z-Diddy]

What a convincing counter argument, it's reality dude deal with it.

The funny part is, he wasn't wrong...

 

[wetcoast]

The funny part is, he wasn't wrong...

Once again very convincing arguments being made here......well not really.

the reality is that Mack is the frontrunner for the Hart voters and if one is being honest people can make a case for any of the 3 guys, the due part tips the scales right?

Also in terms of offense is there really any real difference between the 3 guys this year in a vacuum even if one wins by several points?

 

[Coffey]

Step out of the sand box guy.

“I don’t like that” must mean “it’s not” and “trolling on the internet”.

Why don’t you write a script that everyone else has to follow. The internet doesn’t allow you to bend others to your will. Maybe that’s more of a you problem.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Points are points, nobody cares how you get them.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

What a surprise.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It won't matter either way Mack is winning the hart, in part because he is due, but also because he is very worthy of winning it.

If MacKinnon wins the Hart without the Ross, it’ll be almost entirely because he is “due” and it’s “his turn”. A difference between a 48 point gap and 29 point gap compared to their teammate is pretty massive. I don’t think MacK taking and losing about 80 more faceoffs than he wins closes that gap for me. If MacK wins the Ross, then fine, he has my (non-existent) vote.

 

[Coffey]

Thats the price for winning those cups

Tampa bay will always get hated on until they go off into a rebuild like the Hawks used to during their peak time

Nah it's just salt.
Otherwise there is no reason for people to downplay McDavid like they do Kucherov.

 

[Dingo]

Let's not get too crazy with narratives. The seasons they are having could win the Ross in only one season for certain, 2015.

You might be lost - this thread is for insecure MCDAVID fans.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Once again very convincing arguments being made here......well not really.

the reality is that Mack is the frontrunner for the Hart voters and if one is being honest people can make a case for any of the 3 guys, the due part tips the scales right?

Also in terms of offense is there really any real difference between the 3 guys this year in a vacuum even if one wins by several points?

That’s not the reality. That’s just your opinion (and not a very good one imo). No matter how many times you repeat it as if it’s a fact.

 

[wetcoast]

If MacKinnon wins the Hart without the Ross, it’ll be almost entirely because he is “due” and it’s “his turn”. A difference between a 48 point gap and 29 point gap compared to their teammate is pretty massive. I don’t think MacK taking and losing about 80 more faceoffs than he wins closes that gap for me. If MacK wins the Ross, then fine, he has my (non-existent) vote.

The Avs also have 3 players with 51+ points Drouin has 51 and Valeri 50 in 48 games) the Bolts have 5 players with 70+ points so that argument goes both ways.

A large sample of voters have Mack at 77% for the Hart right now a half dozen games is unlikely to change that.

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According to our sample, Nathan MacKinnon is going to take home his first NHL most valuable players trophy.

The Avalanche star was first overall on nearly 77% of the ballots we surveyed, thanks to 127 points in 75 games this season. He's likely to finish in the top 5 in goals scored and potentially 30 points better than anyone else on his team.

No one is arguing Mack for the Hart due to faceoffs are they?

That’s not the reality. That’s just your opinion (and not a very good one imo). No matter how many times you repeat it as if it’s a fact.

See my previous post and if you can't make an argument for any of the 3 guys then I don't know what to say.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The Avs also have 3 players with 51+ points Drouin has 51 and Valeri 50 in 48 games) the Bolts have 5 players with 70+ points so that argument goes both ways.

A large sample of voters have Mack at 77% for the Hart right now a half dozen games is unlikely to change that.

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No one is arguing Mack for the Hart due to faceoffs are they?


See my previous post and if you can't make an argument for any of the 3 guys then I don't know what to say.

I’ve already made an argument and unlike yours it’s based on facts not feelings. Who ever wins the Art Ross wins the Hart. There’s a clear factual connection between both winners based on statistical evidence. Your argument boils down to Mack being due. That’s your feeling not an actual fact.
But if you have any actual facts I’d love to hear them.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The Avs also have 3 players with 51+ points Drouin has 51 and Valeri 50 in 48 games) the Bolts have 5 players with 70+ points so that argument goes both ways.

We could also literally just see that the Avs have scored 15 more goals as a team than the Lightning while Kucherov has three more points than MacKinnon.

 

[daver]

We could also literally just see that the Avs have scored 15 more goals as a team than the Lightning while Kucherov has three more points than MacKinnon.

How many of those 15 more goals were empty net?

 

[wetcoast]

I’ve already made an argument and unlike yours it’s based on facts not feelings. Who ever wins the Art Ross wins the Hart. There’s a clear factual connection between both winners based on statistical evidence. Your argument boils down to Mack being due. That’s your feeling not an actual fact.
But if you have any actual facts I’d love to hear them.

My argument was based in part to the poll of the actual voters or did you miss that?

Don't pontificate with selective facts on an entirely subjective award it's narrative driven and if people don't understand that.......?

We could also literally just see that the Avs have scored 15 more goals as a team than the Lightning while Kucherov has three more points than MacKinnon.

Still my point stands there isn't any significant offensive difference here in a vacuum between the 3 is there.

People can cherry-pick this or that stat (like point streaks or EN points to push for one case of the other) or McDavid playing through an injury.

In the end it doesn't matter what HF Boards posters think the 77% in that sample of actual voters is the most determining factor right now.

 

[Spirits]

Also in terms of offense is there really any real difference between the 3 guys this year in a vacuum even if one wins by several points?

Goal scoring.

 

[tucker3434]

We could also literally just see that the Avs have scored 15 more goals as a team than the Lightning while Kucherov has three more points than MacKinnon.

The Avs are deeper than Tampa is right now. Point and Stamkos combine for 77 goals. Kucherov isn't exactly on an island.