Confirmed with Link: Nicolas Deslauriers contract with Flyers, 4 x 1.75AAV

[GKJ]

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[Beef Invictus]

I don’t believe for a nanosecond that intimidation has never in your life impacted your behavior. What a crock. Probably did on a daily basis when you were in school.

Absolutely not in school. I went to a military school. Showing fear got you bullied and inevitably beaten shitless. Everyone learned to stand up for themselves and their friends. People who hid behind others were viewed with a degree of scorn.

My school was in the most violent city in the US while I was there and I spent a lot of time wandering those streets. I worked for years in the most dangerous part of DC. I once went into a local store to grab a gatorade and a hobo threatened to beat the shit out of me if I didn't buy him cigarettes. I ignored him, bought my gatorade, and stared him down as I walked right by him. Nothing happened. I don't believe in that coward shit, and I certainly don't want to see my hockey team living in terror of their peers. The idea that the Flyers need Deslauriers or any goon to be brave is despicable to me. I hate the very concept.

 

[deadhead]

Yes, Zito made a bad move.

Manson is pretty clearly superior to Deslauriers and is an effective player, your attempts to lie about him aren't functional. We all know what he is.

Deslauriers is miserable. He's bad. Chuck being willing to pay the most for him over other bad GMs doesn't change that.

By the way, your gotcha attempts with Sakic and Zito are even more comedic than your gotcha attempts with Sullivan and Trotz back when you insisted daily that coaching is irrelvant and doesn't matter at all, when Hakstol was your idol. Zito overpaid for Chiarot. If Fletcher were in charge of Florida, he'd have not only overpaid for him, he'd have handed him the bad contract too. Unlike Fletcher, Zito is still smart enough to let him walk. Instead of bowing to the market, which you seem to think is downright acceptable despite your insistence that GMs shouldn't do it.

Sakic, Zito, and Yzerman make occasional mistakes. What separates Fletcher from them and puts him in the toilet bowl is that those GMs also make good moves. Their mistakes tend to be occasional. Fletcher's mistakes are nonstop. They're everything he does. They're almost all he does. None of those 3 GMs has made their team steadily much worse while also going over the cap in the process. That's an absolute feat of incompetence. And a big reason he got there was "paying market price." So yeah, that's not the defense you think it is. It's a condemnation.

Zito wasn't smart enough to let him walk, he had no choice given their cap situation. He also let G walk, was that a stroke of brilliance?
Sakic took a team with the 3rd best record in the NHL and made it the worst team in the NHL in 3 seasons, is that being a good GM?

I don't think Fletcher is very good, but I think a lot of his mistakes are due to the FO's mandate to win now.
It's much easier to be a GM when you have a patient owner/FO that allows you to take the long view, just ask Hextall.
That allows you to focus on value instead of instant results, much like running a business when you don't have to worry about quarterly earnings makes it easier to make long-term investments.

If Charlie is correct, even Torts was due to the FO wanting a "name" HC.
Flyers may have lucked out by landing one of the few name HCs who's actually comfortable rebuilding a team.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Opposing teams get the better of play when Deslauiries on the ice. So what good is that intimidation?

It’s ultimately a vanity project in a league that’s pretty much gone away from that but Deslauiries is one of the last few vestiges of that past. As are the Flyers who can’t completely let go of their BSB mentality/allure. Deslauiries’ actual hockey ability is obviously terrible but even his enforcer skills usually tend to put him in a sizable negative penalty differential.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Zito wasn't smart enough to let him walk, he had no choice given their cap situation. He also let G walk, was that a stroke of brilliance?
Sakic took a team with the 3rd best record in the NHL and made it the worst team in the NHL in 3 seasons, is that being a good GM?

I don't think Fletcher is very good, but I think a lot of his mistakes are due to the FO's mandate to win now.
It's much easier to be a GM when you have a patient owner/FO that allows you to take the long view, just ask Hextall.
That allows you to focus on value instead of instant results, much like running a business when you don't have to worry about quarterly earnings makes it easier to make long-term investments.

If Charlie is correct, even Torts was due to the FO wanting a "name" HC.
Flyers may have lucked out by landing one of the few name HCs who's actually comfortable rebuilding a team.

Sakic took the worst team in the league and made them Cup champions. Is that good GMing? Fletcher has never done anything like that. The two aren't even in the same league. Fletcher is a glorified hobbyist who lucked into a job because his pedophile-defending father arranged it for him. No aspect of his career is built on merit, only cronyism.

Fletcher did a lot of this crap in Minnesota. It's just who he is. If it weren't for easier buyouts and GMs doing him favors early on, he'd have been fired much sooner there. He was constantly handing out awful contracts and putting himself in cap hell while bleeding good talent. This is who he always is.

 

[deadhead]

Opposing teams get the better of play when Deslauiries on the ice. So what good is that intimidation?

It’s ultimately a vanity project in a league that’s pretty much gone away from that but Deslauiries one of the last few vestiges of that past. As are the Flyers who can’t completely let go of their BSB mentality/allure. Deslauiries’ actual hockey is obviously terrible but even his enforcer skills usually tend to put him in a sizable negative penalty differential.

Have you looked at the Islander lineup under Trotz?

Martin, 71 3-4 7 at ES 235 hits
Clutterbuck 59g 5-9 14 229 hits
Cizikas 74g 9-6 15 138 hits
Ross Johnston, 33g 2-5 7 90 hits

Komarov signed a 4yr/$12M contract at 32, 163g 11-35 46 at ES before he was buried
Martin 4yr/$6M at 31
Cizikas 6yr/$15M at 31
Johnston 4yr/$4.8M at 28
Clutterback, 2yr/$3.5M at 35

 

[Beef Invictus]

Have you looked at the Islander lineup under Trotz?

Martin, 71 3-4 7 at ES 235 hits
Clutterbuck 59g 5-9 14 229 hits
Cizikas 74g 9-6 15 138 hits
Ross Johnston, 33g 2-5 7 90 hits

Komarov signed a 4yr/$12M contract at 32, 163g 11-35 46 at ES before he was buried
Martin 4yr/$6M at 31
Cizikas 6yr/$15M at 31
Johnston 4yr/$4.8M at 28
Clutterback, 2yr/$3.5M at 35

Yeah, and it's heroic coaching that Trotz got that group to the ECF. They're bad. That Fletcher has more than once expressed admiration for how they're built and then tried to emulate it should be deeply worrying.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Opposing teams get the better of play when Deslauiries on the ice. So what good is that intimidation?

It’s ultimately a vanity project in a league that’s pretty much gone away from that but Deslauiries is one of the last few vestiges of that past. As are the Flyers who can’t completely let go of their BSB mentality/allure. Deslauiries’ actual hockey ability is obviously terrible but even his enforcer skills usually tend to put him in a sizable negative penalty differential.

Deslauriers’ value is that the Flyers are young, & if particularly the young players feel more confident with him on the team, they likely will play better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers aren't a young team. They're set to have a whopping 4 players under 25 playing on opening night. Potentially only 2 or 3.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The Flyers aren't a young team. They're set to have a whopping 4 players under 25 playing on opening night. Potentially only 2 or 3.

They could have around a dozen regulars 25 & under.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They could have around a dozen regulars 25 & under.

They will absolutely not. It's not even certain that Fletcher won't send Frost and York back down.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They could have around a dozen regulars 25 & under.

Age doesn't matter as much as NHL age and experience. Your not talking 19-20 year old kids.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They will absolutely not. It's not even certain that Fletcher won't send Frost and York back down.

“Could.” And that doesn’t mean on opening night.

Regardless, they will be one of the 10 youngest teams in the league.

 

[Beef Invictus]

“Could.” And that doesn’t mean on opening night.

Regardless, they will be one of the 10 youngest teams in the league.

Only if there are a lot of injuries.

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers aren't a young team. They're set to have a whopping 4 players under 25 playing on opening night. Potentially only 2 or 3.

Let's see what the lineup looks like in April.
30 and over: Couts (30), Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Atkinson (33), JVR (33), Braun (35)
25 and under: Farabee (23), TK (25), Cates (23), Frost (23), Tippett (23), York (21) [Allison (25), Laczynski (25)]

Players who could be in the April lineup: Foerster (20), Desnoyers (20), Wisdom (20), Brink (21), Lycksell (23), Attard (23), Zamula (22)
Ratcliffe (23) if he clears waivers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Let's see what the lineup looks like in April.
30 and over: Couts (30), Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Atkinson (33), JVR (33), Braun (35)
25 and under: Farabee (23), TK (25), Cates (23), Frost (23), Tippett (23), York (21) [Allison (25), Laczynski (25)]

Players who could be in the April lineup: Foerster (20), Desnoyers (20), Wisdom (20), Brink (21), Lycksell (23), Attard (23), Zamula (22)
Ratcliffe (23) if he clears waivers.

Fletcher has stated that he believes last season went wrong because too many young players were in the lineup. Why would he go for that unless he's forced to?

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher has stated that he believes last season went wrong because too many young players were in the lineup. Why would he go for that unless he's forced to?

Because it isn't his team, it's Torts' team.
Fletcher's future is totally dependent on Torts being successful.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

“Could.” And that doesn’t mean on opening night.

Regardless, they will be one of the 10 youngest teams in the league.

great, and one of the least talented.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Let's see what the lineup looks like in April.
30 and over: Couts (30), Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Atkinson (33), JVR (33), Braun (35)
25 and under: Farabee (23), TK (25), Cates (23), Frost (23), Tippett (23), York (21) [Allison (25), Laczynski (25)]

Players who could be in the April lineup: Foerster (20), Desnoyers (20), Wisdom (20), Brink (21), Lycksell (23), Attard (23), Zamula (22)
Ratcliffe (23) if he clears waivers.

Don’t forget Hart (24) & Sandstrom (25). And Provorov (25).

So that’s 11 players 25 & under on opening night if Allison & Laczynski make the team.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Let's see what the lineup looks like in April.
30 and over: Couts (30), Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Atkinson (33), JVR (33), Braun (35)
25 and under: Farabee (23), TK (25), Cates (23), Frost (23), Tippett (23), York (21) [Allison (25), Laczynski (25)]

Players who could be in the April lineup: Foerster (20), Desnoyers (20), Wisdom (20), Brink (21), Lycksell (23), Attard (23), Zamula (22)
Ratcliffe (23) if he clears waivers.

you left off some prospects. Less than half will not be in the lineup. There is zero indication they will call up players. Plus when they are only 20 points out of a playoff spot they will still say they have a shot.

You foolishly just assume all those you mention will be transitioning along just fine in the AHL with no hiccups. Mind bogging really.

Because it isn't his team, it's Torts' team.
Fletcher's future is totally dependent on Torts being successful.

Do you agree that Torts has to play the players the GM's supplies to him?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because it isn't his team, it's Torts' team.
Fletcher's future is totally dependent on Torts being successful.

Yeah, that's completely false. Tortorella isn't the GM. Fletcher is.

 

[Beef Invictus]

you left off some prospects. Less than half will not be in the lineup. There is zero indication they will call up players. Plus when they are only 20 points out of a playoff spot they will still say they have a shot.

You foolishly just assume all those you mention will be transitioning along just fine in the AHL with no hiccups. Mind bogging really.

Do you agree that Torts has to play the players the GM's supplies to him?

Last time their season was dead and they should have been evaluating youth, they sent everyone down as soon as they could get veterans healthy.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah, that's completely false. Tortorella isn't the GM. Fletcher is.

Fletcher is on thin ice, Torts has a four year deal, and they're still paying AV $5M.
Who is going to be the fall guy?
Power doesn't come from titles, ask Catherine the Great.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I can understand not liking the contract (mainly the term), but I can also completely understand how he landed that much and was not surprised by it. Same reason the Ducks were able to get a 3rd for him as rental. For whatever value one happens to place on that role - Des has established himself as one of the most coveted in the league for the particular role he fills.

In the end I really think you guys will end up respecting the guy too much to really care about his contract unless it was completely absurd. It's 4th line money for a guy you will love having on your 4th line, more so when you watch the games than from advanced stats. You now have one of the very few true heavyweights left who can also actually play NHL minutes. He has that quality where he can just blow the roof off the arena. Will be one of, if not the most respected guy in the dressing room and an instant fan favorite. Pure energy/heart/physicality all the time. Beyond his own play, his teammates talk about the confidence they get just from having him in their corner. Zegras called him the best teammate he's ever had.

This post makes me hate him more.

 

[Striiker]

I can understand not liking the contract (mainly the term), but I can also completely understand how he landed that much and was not surprised by it. Same reason the Ducks were able to get a 3rd for him as rental. For whatever value one happens to place on that role - Des has established himself as one of the most coveted in the league for the particular role he fills.

In the end I really think you guys will end up respecting the guy too much to really care about his contract unless it was completely absurd. It's 4th line money for a guy you will love having on your 4th line, more so when you watch the games than from advanced stats. You now have one of the very few true heavyweights left who can also actually play NHL minutes. He has that quality where he can just blow the roof off the arena. Will be one of, if not the most respected guy in the dressing room and an instant fan favorite. Pure energy/heart/physicality all the time. Beyond his own play, his teammates talk about the confidence they get just from having him in their corner. Zegras called him the best teammate he's ever had.

Nice burner, Chuck.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Don’t forget Hart (24) & Sandstrom (25). And Provorov (25).

So that’s 11 players 25 & under on opening night if Allison & Laczynski make the team.

Ivan is what an 8 year vet now? Him being 25 matters very little.