Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Yasuo]

2 goals and 10 points in his last 25 games bad team or not that’s not close to 1c performance. Does he know that good thing can happen when he put the puck on the net? Because 93 shots in 50 games with his ice time is really bad.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

2 goals and 10 points in his last 25 games bad team or not that’s not close to 1c performance. Does he know that good thing can happen when he put the puck on the net? Because 93 shots in 50 games with his ice time is really bad.

He's not a real 1C, not yet anyways. He's the perfect 2C imo. He definitely needs to shoot more.

 

[JianYang]

Ranks 21st in terms of salaries for centers, he is getting 1C money. You could argue some contracts are older so let s look at recent contracts signed : Hughes 8m, Hintz 8.5, Thompson 7.1, Zibanejad 8.5, Hischier 7.2, Hertl 8.2. Hischier is the only high end 2C in the bunch and he is better than Suzuki right now.
Again not saying Suzuki is a bad player just mentioning that he is not the 1C you want to win a SC.

The contract is okay. He's committed a long time, and the cap won't stay flat forever. Plus, they are getting the best years out of his career.

I'll also add that suzuki's value goes beyond points. He's already shown to be one of those guys who elevates his game to another level in the postseason. That's got to account for something since so many players struggle with this.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

He's not a real 1C, not yet anyways. He's the perfect 2C imo. He definitely needs to shoot more.

It's going to be perfect right behind PLD

 

[yianik]

I have no worries on the contract. He needs to realize he must shoot as soon many have said, but having CC as a winger makes him want to pass is my guess. He will keep getting bettet and consistent is my guess.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

It's going to be perfect right behind PLD

Maybe, but I really like Dach for the 1C role, either way I'd like Dubois to play with Dach.

 

[SlafySZN]

How much do you think Suzuki will improve?


Did we mostly already see what he will always gonna be?

 

[TomKosto]

How much do you think Suzuki will improve?


Did we mostly already see what he will always gonna be?

Always saw him as a 65 2C. He's not a first line center on a contender team, still a real good player.

 

[The Great Weal]

How much do you think Suzuki will improve?


Did we mostly already see what he will always gonna be?

I do believe he can go back to his early season play with less goalscoring. The 80 point potential is there, he's got all the tools, just needs to work on his consistency. Legit help from the backend will help him out too.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He got overhyped. People saying he was going to be a superstar etc... I don't see it.

Still think he can be a legit number one. But this year was a disappointment for sure.

 

[Canadienna]

I'm not sure what's going on, but the disparity of his early season stats compared to recently is wild.

First 26 games - 29 points
Last 24 games - 9 points

1 point in his last 6 games.

To me that's beyond just normal regression. Also can't blame no Caufield as he's only been out a few games.

I'm not trying to criticize him, as it's a lost season and we all know he can be better. I am however suggesting something is up with him whether mental or physical.

 

[Kojo]

I'm not sure what's going on, but the disparity of his early season stats compared to recently is wild.

First 26 games - 29 points
Last 24 games - 9 points

1 point in his last 6 games.

To me that's beyond just normal regression. Also can't blame no Caufield as he's only been out a few games.

I'm not trying to criticize him, as it's a lost season and we all know he can be better. I am however suggesting something is up with him whether mental or physical.

I'm not here to criticize Suzuki either but Slaf had 10 points in his first 25 games playing 11 minutes a game and people wanted to send him out of town. Suzuki has 9 points in his last 25 games playing 22 minutes a night and we can't be concerned about that? I love Suze but his stats are weird.

Like his 17 S% and 86.3 oiSV%.

 

[JRichard]

The contract is okay. He's committed a long time, and the cap won't stay flat forever. Plus, they are getting the best years out of his career.

I'll also add that suzuki's value goes beyond points. He's already shown to be one of those guys who elevates his game to another level in the postseason. That's got to account for something since so many players struggle with this.

Suzuki doesnt improve his output in the po vs reg season. 0.72 (small sample size) vs 0.69.
Same goes for Anderson. Its a myth.

 

[JianYang]

Suzuki doesnt improve his output in the po vs reg season. 0.72 (small sample size) vs 0.69.
Same goes for Anderson. Its a myth.

Just curious, have you watched suzuki in both his playoff years? If you have, can you honestly not say that he's been impressive in them relative to the regular season?

 

[The Great Weal]

Suzuki doesnt improve his output in the po vs reg season. 0.72 (small sample size) vs 0.69.
Same goes for Anderson. Its a myth.

Well nobody else in the playoff was scoring and creating anything besides Suzuki both times. CC and Perry were good, but it was very evident that nobody was on Suzuki's level at that time.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Stats watchers exposed.

Suzuki has been playing hurt for a while it's clear as day for anyone watching the games.

 

[Kojo]

Stats watchers exposed.

Suzuki has been playing hurt for a while it's clear as day for anyone watching the games.

Sure, why is he playing 23 minutes per game then?

He's not hurt he's exhausted.

 

[OldCraig71]

We should trade him. JK.

 

[JRichard]

Just curious, have you watched suzuki in both his playoff years? If you have, can you honestly not say that he's been impressive in them relative to the regular season?

Being from Mtl, yes. Was pretty good indeed. My point is he is as good in the regular season. No need to say he or Anderson are better in the playoffs. Toffoli and perry were pretty good too.

 

[SlafySZN]

We should trade him. JK.

Yeah, for Dubois.

 

[JianYang]

Being from Mtl, yes. Was pretty good indeed. My point is he is as good in the regular season. No need to say he or Anderson are better in the playoffs. Toffoli and perry were pretty good too.

He is consistently implicated in the post season, whereas in regular season, he has shown a tendency to check out for certain stretches.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Stats watchers exposed.

Suzuki has been playing hurt for a while it's clear as day for anyone watching the games.

Medical staff making poor decisions again?

 

[ZUKI]

We should trade him. JK.

for a younger player to fit the contender's window , i agree ...

 

[Captain97]

I dont disagree but I don’t totally agree. Landing Bedard or a Bedard type of olayer would be fantastic, but Even if we dont land a “superstar” like Bedard. We’ll still be able to build a decent contender line up.

Koivu was almost a ppg player. So lets say that Suzuki is Koivu 2.0, almost a ppg player(not for the moment as his best season was last year at 61pts) but I think he’ll be a ppg player, add to that Caufield who I think will be a ppg player too, then Dach who can become atleast a 45-50pts/season player & if we can land PLD that’s another 60-65 pts season.

I will not pin any number on Slaf rn but if we can develop him properly thats another decent offensive player & then we will have our 2 1st pick this year & that goes without sayin all the player that we may have for the 3rd line that can bring secondary scoring(Beck, Heineman, Roy, Mesar, Ylonen, Farrell) or some of them can be trade to have a more established 3rd line player because Im not sure that any coach would like tonhave a 3rd line full of rookies.

So basically what Im trying to say is that without a Bedard type of player, we can still have a solid Top-9 if we can land PLD only. Now its only how HuGo will round up the team. Will he be able to solidify the D corps on the right. Will he be able to find us a decent Goalie. Will MSL be able to give us a decent PP.

You underate PLD, he is on pace for 35 goals and 84 points. If Suzuki can also get to point per game + Caufield putting up 40 then the top 6 filled out with slaf and our pick this year. That is an elite top 6 through its balance. No true super star (maybe CC or our pick this year) but all great players.

 

[Kojo]

He's going to be in the middle of his prime when the rebuild is completed. By that time he's going to be a PPG player most likely, if we add more talent on the roster.