Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don’t think it does one bit. Well what did LA offer before Max shut that deal down, who cares, it’s irrelevant. MB pulled the trigger on the NS deal, it’s a massive win.

MBs regime drafted AG, KK, massive failures. Should he get some shade since TT was in charge of the draft, no.

Praise the guy for what he actually did, not what was discussed but never came to fruition, that’s not fair



The acquisition of NS is a massive win no matter how MB haters try to spin it.

It was a great trade. I give him full credit for it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Discrediting Bergevin for the Suzuki trade because he wanted Glass more is such dumb logic.

Whenever you look to trade one of your good assets, you always ask for more. Literally, every gm does that. There is also no obligation to accept a trade. If Bergevin didn't want Suzuki for Pacioretty, then he wouldn't have accepted the deal...

Hughes was likely asking for Pelletier instead of Heineman in the Toffoli trade. If Heineman becomes a top 6 nhl player, is Hughes going to get no credit for acquiring him?

When Sakic traded Duchene, he was expecting to receive a mid-late 1st from the sens, but instead got the 4th overall pick. Does he get no credit for it since he was not expecting it?

Again, I think it depend on what question you’re asking.

I think it was a great trade and he deserves the credit. But if we were having a deeper discussion on his abilities then I think it’s relevant.

Anyways… who cares at this point?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I'd make it simple. He made very good moves and very bad moves. Lets not pump or deflate either side of them.

At the end of the day, they traded a 30 goal guy for a cap dump, A B+ prospect trending very well, and a 2nd rounder. The B+ prospect quickly turned into grade A and a 1st line center. It is what it is.

Almost everyone rated Glass higher than Suzuki.

Almost half our core might come from the Bergevin/Timmins era (like it or not).
* Suzuki
* Caufield
* Guhle
* Harris
* Mailloux
* Roy
* Farrell

You know that Bergevin whole core of players were also inherited from previous regime?

You know players like : Price, Plekanec, Markov, Subban, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Gorges, Eller, Cole, etc.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You know that Bergevin whole core of players were also inherited from previous regime?

You know players like : Price, Plekanec, Markov, Subban, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Gorges, Eller, Cole, etc.

Yeah, and your point is?

 

[ReHabs]

Yeah, and your point is?

He left the organization in much worse shape then he inherited it — across the board. And he squandered ten years. And he wasted Carey effing Price.

Believe me, I don’t understand the incessant urge to keep praising the worst GM in Habs history.

 

[willzyix]

He left the organization in much worse shape then he inherited it — across the board. And he squandered ten years. And he wasted Carey effing Price.

Believe me, I don’t understand the incessant urge to keep praising the worst GM in Habs history.

I'm no MB fanboy but worst GM is a laughable stretch. We had good teams in that span. ECF and Cup Finals. People can call fluke as much as they want but the team had some success in his tenure, he made some good moves, some bad ones. Whatever, no GM is perfect. He was fine in the beginning but it was time to move on.

 

[ReHabs]

The acquisition of NS is a massive win no matter how MB haters try to spin it.

It’s good to evaluate trades with the information that was at hand at the time of the trade. So I agree with your other comment that we need to accept that he pulled the trigger on this trade and not the other one (Glass).

Pacioretty was traded away prior to the 18-19 season. The Habs went on to miss the playoffs but didn’t amass many other significant “futures” until Bergevin was fired (21-22 season). Within context the Habs didn’t really do anything right with that trade or any other move tbh.

We can call it a Win if you want though

If Suzuki busted, I'm sure you would say... "Horrible trade... Bergevin can't evaluate young prospects well".

Set aside Bergevin hate. This was the best addition to the Habs in decades. You get credit where it's due and criticism as well when things don't end up well. No need to spin it

I’d say we know Bergevin can’t evaluate young prospects because of all the busts and problems and issues we’ve had with our own young players. One hit out of dozens is a very bad outcome even if that one hit is good.

He gets zero credit from me. Micro analyzing moves out of context is a waste of time. You can be happy about Suzuki all you want, even call it a win if you want, but you can’t force others to praise the GM who inherited the players he did and then squandered them.

 

[CHwest]

I'm no MB fanboy but worst GM is a laughable stretch. We had good teams in that span. ECF and Cup Finals. People can call fluke as much as they want but the team had some success in his tenure, he made some good moves, some bad ones. Whatever, no GM is perfect. He was fine in the beginning but it was time to move on.

You are trying to call a Lotto 649 winner a shrewd investor. He sucked, period.

 

[ReHabs]

I'm no MB fanboy but worst GM is a laughable stretch. We had good teams in that span. ECF and Cup Finals. People can call fluke as much as they want but the team had some success in his tenure, he made some good moves, some bad ones. Whatever, no GM is perfect. He was fine in the beginning but it was time to move on.

If you only look at the few bright spots his tenure looks nice, I’m sure.

Houle had to deal with a weak NHL, a very weak Canadian dollar, and Québec independence referendums. Bergevin had every advantage that Houle, Savard, Gainey, and Gauthier would’ve killed for. He wasted it. Worst GM in Habs history.

 

[Vachon23]

for a B+ prospect

Since when Suzuki was a B+ prospect ?

 

[Habby4Life]

If you only look at the few bright spots his tenure looks nice, I’m sure.

Houle had to deal with a weak NHL, a very weak Canadian dollar, and Québec independence referendums. Bergevin had every advantage that Houle, Savard, Gainey, and Gauthier would’ve killed for. He wasted it. Worst GM in Habs history.

If you only look at the few bright spots his tenure looks nice, I’m sure.

Houle had to deal with a weak NHL, a very weak Canadian dollar, and Québec independence referendums. Bergevin had every advantage that Houle, Savard, Gainey, and Gauthier would’ve killed for. He wasted it. Worst GM in Habs history.

Haha, not even close!! Houle has that spot all locked up.

 

[ReHabs]

Since when Suzuki was a B+ prospect ?

Since he was drafted! He wasn’t known as a blue chip or NHL ready prospect. His development is excellent.

Haha, not even close!! Houle has that spot all locked up.

The mere fact that Bergevin is comparable to Houle is all you need to get the picture

 

[Vachon23]

Since he was drafted! He wasn’t known as a blue chip or NHL ready prospect

Someone drafted 13th oa that just had a 100 pts season in his D1 is not what I call a B+ prospect. He was always a really good prospect

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Six points in his last three and that includes three goals. He’s been a bit of a streaky player early in his career. Hopefully he continues to be consistent this year.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I've been quite conservative with my assessment of his ceiling, but I truly believe he can be a 2 PPG player in the next few seasons

 

[ginomini]

Since he was drafted! He wasn’t known as a blue chip or NHL ready prospect. His development is excellent.


The mere fact that Bergevin is comparable to Houle is all you need to get the picture

I mean...usually anyone drafted top 15 is considered a blue chip. Especially those who have a shot at being top 10 like Suzuki was pre-draft! Like, for example, I would definitely consider Frank Nazar a blue chip prospect right now.

 

[BaseballCoach]

MBs regime drafted AG, KK, massive failures.

Galchenyuk was a good pick. Forsberg was undervalued by most scouts, but AG27 was one of the top scorers of his draft year until his career went sideways, 5 years post-draft

By age 22, Galch was a 30 goal scorer and was at a ppg over 46 games before his career was changed by a bad injury and botched rehab.

The acquisition of NS is a massive win no matter how MB haters try to spin it.

Yes. And I am not a Bergevin lover.

 

[Beer and Chips]

I love his driving to the net this year, he knows he has to be a catalyst to lead this team.

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[Habby4Life]

Since he was drafted! He wasn’t known as a blue chip or NHL ready prospect. His development is excellent.


The mere fact that Bergevin is comparable to Houle is all you need to get the picture

You compared him to Houle, not me. Houle by far and away was a worse GM.

 

[Tonneau]

Put your money where you mouth is... what players won't be meaningful NHL players?

Just admit it, you don't like anything good Bergevin did. It has to be, must be, all bad. Horrible take

???

It's obvious which of those players likely won't be important players: the prospects you mentioned who have yet to play a single professional game. You could've figured it out on your own had you used your head for a second instead of getting mad over nothing.

Also, I didn't say anything negative about Bergevin in this thread. I simply said that it's obvious that our current core is made up of players Bergevin acquired given that the new management has been around for less than a year. How that translates to me hating everything Bergevin did is beyond my understanding.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Best player we have in the team since Kovalev

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

He left the organization in much worse shape then he inherited it — across the board. And he squandered ten years. And he wasted Carey effing Price.

Believe me, I don’t understand the incessant urge to keep praising the worst GM in Habs history.

Hahaha, far from being the worst. You obviously don't remember the Peanut years.

BargainBin had no prior experience before taking this job and he should have been canned after 3/4 years. However, he learned from it, made terrible mistakes while doing so. This doesn't mean he didn't hit homeruns. He was average. He was mostly reactive and not proactive, had no vision. When he took over, the team wasn't any better. In fact, you had 3 elite players (if Subban can be classified as such) with a young Gally and Pacces, and the rest where mostly fringe NHLers. He didn't have the right pieces to assemble a winning team and he kept Timmins for far too long. Back then, the game was different, mostly focused on defensive play.

He did trade Subban for some years of Weber, kept Price and Markov for far too long, hit a homerun with Suzuki and Gally. Out of Galchy, he got Anderson.

In fact HuGo's recent trades were facilitated by BargainBin's prior acquisitions. Pleaae do give credit where it's due.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Enough with the Bergevin stuff folks. Let’s stay on topic.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

oh the grief I got when I said Nick had big time skill in his first few games with us.