Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yep, frankly, it’s what actually happened that matters. He got NS, a massive home run.

He derserves credit for making a rebuild trade and it was a great one.

But the fact that he wanted Glass instead probably shouldn’t be forgotten when we evaluate MB’s career too.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

I'm going to be very honest with you.

When he was given that contract and then the captain's C, I said to myself that this was not going to go well.

I'm very happy with the outcome so far. Hopefully they will give Caufield a long term contract soon as well.

 

[Vachon23]

Just hope we will surround him better then we did with Saku

 

[tooji]

Nick Datsukyi

The play literally never dies on his stick. He always looks for a good hockey play.

 

[the valiant effort]

It’s funny how last night’s goal did a pretty good job of summing Suzuki up: poise, awareness, sneaky good speed, soft hands, and total respect for the opposition (Helleybuck).

 

[Redux91]

Can you f***ing believe this guy?

I sure can't

 

[Habs Halifax]

He derserves credit for making a rebuild trade and it was a great one.

But the fact that he wanted Glass instead probably shouldn’t be forgotten when we evaluate MB’s career too.

I'd make it simple. He made very good moves and very bad moves. Lets not pump or deflate either side of them.

At the end of the day, they traded a 30 goal guy for a cap dump, A B+ prospect trending very well, and a 2nd rounder. The B+ prospect quickly turned into grade A and a 1st line center. It is what it is.

Almost everyone rated Glass higher than Suzuki.

Almost half our core might come from the Bergevin/Timmins era (like it or not).
* Suzuki
* Caufield
* Guhle
* Harris
* Mailloux
* Roy
* Farrell

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Can you f***ing believe this guy?

I sure can't

Turning into the player we have all been dreaming about for far too long

 

[Supersonic]

wOrSt cOnTraCt iN tHe LeAgUe

 

[Tonneau]

Almost half our core might come from the Bergevin/Timmins era (like it or not).

No shit. The new management hasn't even been in place for a full year yet.

Also, some of the players you mentioned will likely never been meaningful NHL players.

 

[Habby4Life]

He derserves credit for making a rebuild trade and it was a great one.

But the fact that he wanted Glass instead probably shouldn’t be forgotten when we evaluate MB’s career too.

He should be evaluated on what happened not what could of happened. Simply put, he hit a grand slam with the Max trade. Glass has zero relevance.

 

[ReHabs]

Very smart player. He’s so smart it makes whatever deficiencies he might have not matter — which is an incredible trait.

What would happen if they split Suzuki and Caufield up?

He should be evaluated on what happened not what could of happened. Simply put, he hit a grand slam with the Max trade. Glass has zero relevance.

Bergevin made a Rebuild Trade without actually rebuilding anything. The context is super relevant.

The Habs can sell Caufield and pick up a boatload of assets right now — will you call it a grand slam if one of them turns out to be as good as Caufield? The big picture is what matters.

 

[Habby4Life]

Very smart player. He’s so smart it makes whatever deficiencies he might have not matter — which is an incredible trait.

What would happen if they split Suzuki and Caufield up?


Bergevin made a Rebuild Trade without actually rebuilding anything. The context is super relevant.

The Habs can sell Caufield and pick up a boatload of assets right now — will you call it a grand slam if one of them turns out to be as good as Caufield? The big picture is what matters.

They shouldn’t split up NS & CC. I think Kirby might be the guy to finish that line.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He should be evaluated on what happened not what could of happened. Simply put, he hit a grand slam with the Max trade. Glass has zero relevance.

I guess it depends on what the question is…

Does it matter in terms of our future going forward? No.

Does it matter in terms of evaluating the skills of our former GM? Yes.

 

[Habby4Life]

Very smart player. He’s so smart it makes whatever deficiencies he might have not matter — which is an incredible trait.

What would happen if they split Suzuki and Caufield up?


Bergevin made a Rebuild Trade without actually rebuilding anything. The context is super relevant.

The Habs can sell Caufield and pick up a boatload of assets right now — will you call it a grand slam if one of them turns out to be as good as Caufield? The big picture is what matters.

Nope, it’s tough for some to admit he made a great trade.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It’s funny how last night’s goal did a pretty good job of summing Suzuki up: poise, awareness, sneaky good speed, soft hands, and total respect for the opposition (Helleybuck).

He is a team leader and a great sportsman. The respect for this special player in the league is growing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No shit. The new management hasn't even been in place for a full year yet.

Also, some of the players you mentioned will likely never been meaningful NHL players.

Put your money where you mouth is... what players won't be meaningful NHL players?

Just admit it, you don't like anything good Bergevin did. It has to be, must be, all bad. Horrible take

 

[ReHabs]

Nope, it’s tough for some to admit he made a great trade.

The trade that acquired Danault was a great trade even though the Habs didn’t intend to tank.

Selling a top LW on a good contract for a B+ prospect and a cap dump isn’t a great trade if you don’t intend to rebuild.

 

[Habby4Life]

I guess it depends on what the question is…

Does it matter in terms of our future going forward? No.

Does it matter in terms of evaluating the skills of our former GM? Yes.

I don’t think it does one bit. Well what did LA offer before Max shut that deal down, who cares, it’s irrelevant. MB pulled the trigger on the NS deal, it’s a massive win.

MBs regime drafted AG, KK, massive failures. Should he get some shade since TT was in charge of the draft, no.

Praise the guy for what he actually did, not what was discussed but never came to fruition, that’s not fair

The trade that acquired Danault was a great trade even though the Habs didn’t intend to tank.

Selling a top LW on a good contract for a B+ prospect and a cap dump isn’t a great trade if you don’t intend to rebuild.

The acquisition of NS is a massive win no matter how MB haters try to spin it.

 

[KLu]

13 points in 11 games, this has to be one of the best start for a Habs since Mr. October Brian Savage!

 

[Habs Halifax]

The trade that acquired Danault was a great trade even though the Habs didn’t intend to tank.

Selling a top LW on a good contract for a B+ prospect and a cap dump isn’t a great trade if you don’t intend to rebuild.

If Suzuki busted, I'm sure you would say... "Horrible trade... Bergevin can't evaluate young prospects well".

Set aside Bergevin hate. This was the best addition to the Habs in decades. You get credit where it's due and criticism as well when things don't end up well. No need to spin it

 

[Habby4Life]

Just hope we will surround him better then we did with Saku

They are on the way to do that.

 

[ginomini]

13 points in 11 games, this has to be one of the best start for a Habs since Mr. October Brian Savage!

end of november 2016

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He derserves credit for making a rebuild trade and it was a great one.

But the fact that he wanted Glass instead probably shouldn’t be forgotten when we evaluate MB’s career too.

Discrediting Bergevin for the Suzuki trade because he wanted Glass more is such dumb logic.

Whenever you look to trade one of your good assets, you always ask for more. Literally, every gm does that. There is also no obligation to accept a trade. If Bergevin didn't want Suzuki for Pacioretty, then he wouldn't have accepted the deal...

Hughes was likely asking for Pelletier instead of Heineman in the Toffoli trade. If Heineman becomes a top 6 nhl player, is Hughes going to get no credit for acquiring him?

When Sakic traded Duchene, he was expecting to receive a mid-late 1st from the sens, but instead got the 4th overall pick. Does he get no credit for it since he was not expecting it?

 

[the valiant effort]

Is sports fandom serious enough business that we “must” give Bergevin credit for a handful of moves that will continue to benefit the team long after he’s gone? Personally, I take full credit for the Suzuki trade and Caufield selection.