Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Mrb1p]

Interesting to me how the captain and best player gets about one post a week and we’re discussing fringe nobodies for pages on end

Bump, oh Captain. I wanted to say he seemed completely unfazed to have the C last game, he’s a natural. Hoping he gets to play healthy and not miss a regular season game again.

What is there to say? Hes good.

He looks even better than ever right now. Confidence is through the roof.

 

[ahmedou]

25 Assistsuzy (39 PTS) in his last 41 Games

 

[Canadienna]

I find this fascinating. It shows just how much of an impact a coach can have.

 

[Walrus26]

I find this fascinating. It shows just how much of an impact a coach can have.

"We're going to play offense".

 

[Sorinth]

I find this fascinating. It shows just how much of an impact a coach can have.

This seems like a nothing burger. The worse GA can easily be explained by who was actually in nets. Under DD Allen started 44% of the games, under MSL it was down at 27% so it's really no surprise that GA went up. Not too mention we should expect worse defensive numbers after trading some of our better defensive guys in Chiarot/Lehkonen.

 

[Canadienna]

This seems like a nothing burger. The worse GA can easily be explained by who was actually in nets. Under DD Allen started 44% of the games, under MSL it was down at 27% so it's really no surprise that GA went up. Not too mention we should expect worse defensive numbers after trading some of our better defensive guys in Chiarot/Lehkonen.

GA isn't the only stat that changed, not to mention it still changed relative to sv%.

Also I don't agree that Chiarot and Lehkonen were the reason Suzuki was putting up those stats. Chiarot had terrible metrics and Lehkonen didn't spend that much time with Suzuki.

 

[Zilo44]

Screw his defensive game. Put up points my captain and all will be forgotten.

I’ve spent 20 years watching this team make no mistake, yet being unable to score freaking goals

 

[Habs Halifax]

I find this fascinating. It shows just how much of an impact a coach can have.

The other angle to his defensive numbers falling a bit is also due to our D core getting younger.

Screw his defensive game. Put up points my captain and all will be forgotten.

I’ve spent 20 years watching this team make no mistake, yet being unable to score freaking goals

It's not just defensive number slipping due to playing more of an offensive style. It has a lot to do with our D core getting younger and learning on the job too.

I see no issues with Suzuki's defensive play during the MSL time. Once our D core matures, these numbers will be more stable on the defensive end for all our forwards.

 

[Habs Halifax]

GA isn't the only stat that changed, not to mention it still changed relative to sv%.

Also I don't agree that Chiarot and Lehkonen were the reason Suzuki was putting up those stats. Chiarot had terrible metrics and Lehkonen didn't spend that much time with Suzuki.

Sometimes indirect context spins into other areas and affects direct stats. When you take several guys out (TDL or injuries) and replace them with younger guys, it has ripple effects. Regardless of who is exactly on the ice with him.

For example, Barkov's defensive numbers are about to get worse with the Ekblad injury. They are going to be scrambling a bit on the back end and that will have ripple effects for both the forwards and goalies.

 

[Sorinth]

GA isn't the only stat that changed, not to mention it still changed relative to sv%.

Also I don't agree that Chiarot and Lehkonen were the reason Suzuki was putting up those stats. Chiarot had terrible metrics and Lehkonen didn't spend that much time with Suzuki.

Chiarot had bad metrics for the same reason Suzuki does, if you play a lot of minutes on a bad team you'll end up with bad metrics. And even if they don't play together doesn't mean there won't be an impact. Lehkonen gone means others have to pick up the slack and overall the team will face more defensive situations since they don't have Lehks to send out to drive possession and turn a D-zone start into a O-zone faceoff.

 

[Paddy17]

This seems like a nothing burger. The worse GA can easily be explained by who was actually in nets. Under DD Allen started 44% of the games, under MSL it was down at 27% so it's really no surprise that GA went up. Not too mention we should expect worse defensive numbers after trading some of our better defensive guys in Chiarot/Lehkonen.

A classic case of mistaking consequences for causes. The eye test also shows that he's not sacrificing defense or cheating more defensively.

 

[the valiant effort]

JFresh’s modelling needs to be sent out to sea.

 

[Redux91]

LOL couldnt CARE about Suzuki's "defense" this year

Ducharme had him trying to be our #1 Defensive and checking center, f*** that noise, you dont stymie potential 80+ point players

We know he can play D when he has to, right now it's all about offense offense offense
Let Dvo handle 3C D and checking duties f*** that

 

[BushFireRecordsRedux]

LOL couldnt CARE about Suzuki's "defense" this year

Ducharme had him trying to be our #1 Defensive and checking center, f*** that noise, you dont stymie potential 80+ point players

We know he can play D when he has to, right now it's all about offense offense offense
Let Dvo handle 3C D and checking duties f*** that

Common W from Redux91

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

LOL couldnt CARE about Suzuki's "defense" this year

Ducharme had him trying to be our #1 Defensive and checking center, f*** that noise, you dont stymie potential 80+ point players

We know he can play D when he has to, right now it's all about offense offense offense
Let Dvo handle 3C D and checking duties f*** that

True. I'm more interested in if he can be that dude like he's proven in his playoff history and has done under MSL and also (while not as significant as production) his faceoff percentage. It'll probably be artificially increased if Monahan is taking his weak side draws. I also think that once Edmundson and Matheson come back, the defensive analytics will even out more

 

[Canadienna]

Chiarot had bad metrics for the same reason Suzuki does, if you play a lot of minutes on a bad team you'll end up with bad metrics. And even if they don't play together doesn't mean there won't be an impact. Lehkonen gone means others have to pick up the slack and overall the team will face more defensive situations since they don't have Lehks to send out to drive possession and turn a D-zone start into a O-zone faceoff.

Yeah fair point about some of their defensive responsibilities I didn't think of that.

It wasn't a critique on Suzuki, I honestly just found it interesting.

A classic case of mistaking consequences for causes. The eye test also shows that he's not sacrificing defense or cheating more defensively.

As opposed to you who 100% have the cause right *massive f***ing eye roll*

 

[Mrb1p]

Yeah fair point about some of their defensive responsibilities I didn't think of that.

It wasn't a critique on Suzuki, I honestly just found it interesting.



As opposed to you who 100% have the cause right *massive f***ing eye roll*

I dont think you should take it personally, these stats-lords have been spewing their gospel like it is fact for a while now and most of them have the statistical knowledge of a high school grad. They also fail to assert that there should be either a margin of error somewhere or a relation to the eye-test.

 

[Paddy17]

Yeah fair point about some of their defensive responsibilities I didn't think of that.

It wasn't a critique on Suzuki, I honestly just found it interesting.



As opposed to you who 100% have the cause right *massive f***ing eye roll*

Settle down. You're assuming things that have not been said.

The causes come from multiple contributing factors. Some of them have been covered. Finding the exact causes are really moot in this case because... who cares? I don't.

The only thing for sure is that the cause is not solely because he's sacrificing defensive responsibility to bring more offense. To draw such a conclusion would be oversimplifying things and thus, incorrect.

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[BarracudaMtl]

I loved the reaction of the Boys after Suzuki's goal. I liked to see Armia's excited face when he saw a beautiful goal.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[MarioLeMoose]

This kid is turning into the full package before our eyes. 80+ point season incoming

 

[Ozmodiar]

The guy who Suzuki plays most like is Datsyuk.

A tip of the hat to those who knew this 2 years ago.

 

[Beer and Chips]

That was an "oh no you didn't..." goal, nasty.

 

[Redux91]

I loved the reaction of the Boys after Suzuki's goal. I liked to see Armia's excited face when he saw a beautiful goal.

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And a close up of just how unhappy Pitlick is to be scratched for hoffman lmao
I noticed it last night wondered if people would bring it up
It's too bad because he actually had chem with Evans too lol

Patience Rem, you got a spot soon as we trim the fat a bit, or injuries lol