Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[Habs Halifax]

If you read the actual article, it's clear that he generates the list by using his GameScore mathematical model, or whatever he calls it. He is also quite clear with explaining that the contract probably doesn't belong there, that it is likely due to the 'Ducharme Effect', and that if he is close to producing the same amount as he did under MSL, he will not be on that list next year.

Suzuki was producing with or without Ducharme. He's been the most consistent player where negative team momentum doesn't affect him too much.

This contract is for his prime years with a growing cap. Norris got the same contract. There should be zero energy on talking about bad negative contracts for both of them.

Suzuki on the list is just stupid!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not sure why you brought those players up or what they have to do with Suzuki
Dont think Norris was extended before that list was made and Tavares is owed alot less money. could also think of a worse contract thats part of your team.... you know Price but thought of Tavares first eh lol

Price should be on the list so that's why I didn't say his name. I would think he is? Don't remember all the names on it. Take your LOL somewhere else

Money per year vs AAV is a different story when talking "bad contracts". So Tavares should be on the list if Suzuki is. Tavares cap hit is substantially more and he had 15 more pts vs Suzuki last year playing in a much different situation with talent around him.

Tavares vs Suzuki
* $11M AAV vs $7.875M ($3.125M difference)
* Age 23 (prime years) vs Age 31 (past prime years)

Norris was extended July 14th and the article came out end of July.

Back to the main point... it was written by someone who is from Ontario.

 

[ngc_5128]

Suzuki was producing with or without Ducharme. He's been the most consistent player where negative team momentum doesn't affect him too much.

This contract is for his prime years with a growing cap. Norris got the same contract. There should be zero energy on talking about bad negative contracts for both of them.

Suzuki on the list is just stupid!

Suzuki produced about 50% more under MSL than he did under Dom (~.9 ppg vs ~.6 ppg). As I said, read the article and read about how his model works. It uses much more than just points per dollar.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Suzuki produced about 50% more under MSL than he did under Dom (~.9 ppg vs ~.6 ppg). As I said, read the article and read about how his model works. It uses much more than just points per dollar.

What Suzuki did with our without Ducharme holds little value with him being a negative contract or not. Suzuki had 16 pts with 7 goals in 22 playoff games with Ducharme.

I don't care how the model works cause it has bias. Suzuki should not be on the list. Period.

Suzuki has 60-80 pts potential in his prime and his contract only starts this next season. His AAV is solid and it's nonsense talking negative value on the 23 year old.

 

[ngc_5128]

What Suzuki did with our without Ducharme holds little value with him being a negative contract or not. Suzuki had 16 pts with 7 goals in 22 playoff games with Ducharme.

I don't care how the model works cause it has bias. Suzuki should not be on the list. Period.

Suzuki has 60-80 pts potential in his prime and his contract only starts this next season. His AAV is solid and it's nonsense talking negative value on the 23 year old.

In the context of the model, what Suzuki did with or without Dom HAS ALL THE VALUE of his being a negative contract or not. Here are some quotes from Suzuki's entry:

Personally, I’m excited to see how wrong this one is.

Part of that is the overall Montreal Stink likely dragging him down. Perhaps the team effects are too strong here, but it was still a team he was part of.

it would be an absolute shock to see him anywhere close to this list next season.

According to his model, an 8mil player should generate 2 wins of value, Suzuki generated 1. If you don't care or know how the model works, how can you claim bias? Complaining about how a formula is constructed is one thing, but complaining about results it generates is the equivalent of saying that 1+1=2 is biased.
The model in question

If you don't have an account, send me a PM, I'll give you a free 30 day pass.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In the context of the model, what Suzuki did with or without Dom HAS ALL THE VALUE of his being a negative contract or not. Here are some quotes from Suzuki's entry:



According to his model, an 8mil player should generate 2 wins of value, Suzuki generated 1. If you don't care or know how the model works, how can you claim bias? Complaining about how a formula is constructed is one thing, but complaining about results it generates is the equivalent of saying that 1+1=2 is biased.
The model in question

If you don't have an account, send me a PM, I'll give you a free 30 day pass.

Suzuki should not be on the list. I'm not playing the game of reviewing "his model" and the flaws that come with it. You're wasting you time trying to explain it.

Ducharme or MSL or someone else, don't matter. Suzuki's contract for his prime years in a growing cap is not negative.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Price should be on the list so that's why I didn't say his name. I would think he is? Don't remember all the names on it. Take your LOL somewhere else

Money per year vs AAV is a different story when talking "bad contracts". So Tavares should be on the list if Suzuki is. Tavares cap hit is substantially more and he had 15 more pts vs Suzuki last year playing in a much different situation with talent around him.

Tavares vs Suzuki
* $11M AAV vs $7.875M ($3.125M difference)
* Age 23 (prime years) vs Age 31 (past prime years)

Norris was extended July 14th and the article came out end of July.

Back to the main point... it was written by someone who is from Ontario.

But the reason why Suzuki is up there is because of the overall money owed.
but thats why he's up there, aav isnt money owed so I believe over the next 3 years Tavares is owed less than like 25m to Suzuki's 63m

But hey good for you to just try and switch the topic to Tavares for some reason strange reason. I know I didn't bring him up

LMAO take my LOL somewhere else? is this suppose to be a joke? Why did you even reply to me?

 

[Habs Halifax]

But the reason why Suzuki is up there is because of the overall money owed.
but thats why he's up there, aav isnt money owed so I believe over the next 3 years Tavares is owed less than like 25m to Suzuki's 63m

But hey good for you to just try and switch the topic to Tavares for some reason strange reason. I know I didn't bring him up

LMAO take my LOL somewhere else? is this suppose to be a joke? Why did you even reply to me?

Overall money means nothing when you talk salary cap and AAV's and what is a "negative value" contract.

Suzuki should not be on the list. It's not complicated.

For the record, you replied to me first and are dragging it on so asking why I'm replying is on you.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Overall money means nothing when you talk salary cap and AAV's and what is a "negative value" contract.

Suzuki should not be on the list. It's not complicated

But that's how he did he ranking....
I also wasn't saying anything negative so I'm confused why you even started with me about Tavares

 

[Habs Halifax]

But that's how he did he ranking....
I also wasn't saying anything negative so I'm confused why you even started with me about Tavares

I don't care how he did the ranking. Focusing on actual money and not AAV's is a stupid ranking.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I don't care how he did the ranking. Focusing on actual money and not AAV's is a stupid ranking.

Cool why are you telling me about it? I didn't make the ranking and I was basically laughing at how bad the list is.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cool why are you telling me about it? I didn't make the ranking and I was basically laughing at how bad the list is.

I'm replying to your post. Go back and start over on the first post you replied to and follow the trail. Your answers to the question on why I'm telling you about it will be answered.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I'm replying to your post. Go back and start over on the first post you replied to and follow the trail. Your answers to the question on why I'm telling you about it will be answered.

I dont have to I can assume to me asking what clown wrote this or whatever something along those lines?
It wasn't really a question that needed a reply was mostly a joke towards how bad the list is.

but either way I didnt come here to spread negativity I may be a Leafs fan but I'm also a Suzuki fan and acquired him in my dynasty league and looked forward to him making the NHL long before he became a Hab. I'll likely always be a Suzuki fan.

If your looking to get into it with me over Tavares then I'm going to end this right now I honestly don't care

 

[Doc5]

Vintage Suz

That goal at 1:28 though

 

[Habs Halifax]

I dont have to I can assume to me asking what clown wrote this or whatever something along those lines?
It wasn't really a question that needed a reply was mostly a joke towards how bad the list is.

but either way I didnt come here to spread negativity I may be a Leafs fan but I'm also a Suzuki fan and acquired him in my dynasty league and looked forward to him making the NHL long before he became a Hab. I'll likely always be a Suzuki fan.

If your looking to get into it with me over Tavares then I'm going to end this right now I honestly don't care

I repeat and I've been consistent.

* Suzuki should not be on the list.
* Doing the report on salaries and not AAV is stupid. Holds little value
* Article was written by a guy from Ontario.

 

[ReHabs]

Not to upset anybody but in my opinion only a crazy person would choose Suzuki over Tavares today. Suzuki is not remotely there yet. Tavares just put up a almost PPG season coming off a big injury and splitting PP time with other stars. Over the remaining years of his contract (three) I would venture to say Tavares will outproduce Suzuki.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I repeat and I've been consistent.

* Suzuki should not be on the list.
* Doing the report on salaries and not AAV is stupid. Holds little value
* Article was written by a guy from Ontario.

Cool I just don't understand why you chose me to tell this to. Right on I guess
..... Well moving on I guess

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Not to upset anybody but in my opinion only a crazy person would choose Suzuki over Tavares today. Suzuki is not remotely there yet. Tavares just put up a almost PPG season coming off a big injury and splitting PP time with other stars. Over the remaining years of his contract (three) I would venture to say Tavares will outproduce Suzuki.

I don’t think there is any doubt about this. Tavares is the better player. Suzuki has youth on his side though. I haven’t listened to the model, but if it has Suzuki on the list as a bad contract and not Price. Throw it out, the model is broken.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Not to upset anybody but in my opinion only a crazy person would choose Suzuki over Tavares today. Suzuki is not remotely there yet. Tavares just put up a almost PPG season coming off a big injury and splitting PP time with other stars. Over the remaining years of his contract (three) I would venture to say Tavares will outproduce Suzuki.

Tavares is playing on a highly offensive team with guys like Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and Rielly.
He's pointing up points, but his impact on the ice is a lot less than what it used to be.
Leafs fans have been shitting on him all year.

 

[JianYang]

What I like about suzuki is that he likes the big stage. The bigger the game, the more implicated he is.

Sometimes, it's not so much about the production, but more about when you get the production.

We've seen susuki in both covid playoffs now, and his fingerprints were all over those runs.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[sheed36]

I haven't watched it yet but in the latest Raw Knuckles podcast, which came out today, Nilan as Suzuki as his latest guest.



Gotta give it to Nilan. He's had some great guests on his podcast since starting it up earlier this year but he also had great guests on his TSN690 show before being let go.

 

[Canadienna]

Man what a bummer he's starting the year with so many injuries.

He was fantastic last night.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

He played great lastnight. Both assists were beautiful, especially the 1st one. Really hoping that whatever is ailing him is extremely minor and he’s 100% and ready to go for the opener. I think he’s capable of potting 75+ points this year. Ready for a big statistical year out of our best and most valuable player.
The Habs will be awful as a team, but hopefully Suzuki (and Caufield/Dach) make us worth watching.

 

[Naslundforever]

Interesting to me how the captain and best player gets about one post a week and we’re discussing fringe nobodies for pages on end

Bump, oh Captain. I wanted to say he seemed completely unfazed to have the C last game, he’s a natural. Hoping he gets to play healthy and not miss a regular season game again.