Value of: Nick Robertson to a non-contending team willing to move a top 4D

[Ianturnedbull]

Based on some of the emotional reactions from leaf fans I want to clear the air.

In no way am I implying that Robertson is a bad player. I just want to see what other teams might trade for him. Some say that you won't get a top 4 D for him without adding a 1st. I agree that Dubas will have to add, but IMHO Dubas doesn't need to pay a 1st round pick and Robertson to get one. Some don't agree with that, and that's valid.

I do feel that due to Robertson's sparse usage this season that he must be getting showcased. I also come to that conclusion because Dubas doesn't have too much to use to bolster his team for the playoffs.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Based on some of the emotional reactions from leaf fans I want to clear the air.

In no way am I implying that Robertson is a bad player. I just want to see what other teams might trade for him. Some say that you won't get a top 4 D for him without adding a 1st. I agree that Dubas will have to add, but IMHO Dubas doesn't need to pay a 1st round pick and Robertson to get one. Some don't agree with that, and that's valid.

I do feel that due to Robertson's sparse usage this season that he must be getting showcased. I also come to that conclusion because Dubas doesn't have too much to use to bolster his team for the playoffs.

He's on an ELC and he's scoring at a 20g / 55pt pace.

How do you get that kind of value back?

Are you really going to pay Robertson+1st for a Murphy type? That would be a mistake imo.

 

[seanlinden]

Forget talking about value.... we're 12 games into the season for most teams.... everyone has optimism this time of year.

Who's going to trade an established top 4 defenceman to get youth upside?

If they were sellers, they would have likely already done so in the offseason.

 

[AvroArrow]

Forget talking about value.... we're 12 games into the season for most teams.... everyone has optimism this time of year.

Who's going to trade an established top 4 defenceman to get youth upside?

If they were sellers, they would have likely already done so in the offseason.

Literally happens like 5 times a year every year, especially near the trade deadline.

 

[Malaka]

Y’all want some Connor Murphy

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Y’all want some Connor Murphy

yes please

 

[Raymond foley]

Edmunson for Robertson +, as a basis?

No

 

[Raymond foley]

Robertson for Savard + 4th (2022)
Robertson + 2022 (2nd) for Edmundson

Xhekaj and a 2nd 2023 for Robertson

 

[ole ole]

Xhekaj and a 2nd 2023 for Robertson

I wouldn't give you Xhekaj straight up for Robertson and you want the Habs to add a 2nd.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Trading Robertson would be dumb - He’s just starting to solidify himself. He’s a smaller player but he’s a buzzsaw which is what we need more of.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He's on an ELC and he's scoring at a 20g / 55pt pace.

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How do you get that kind of value back?

Are you really going to pay Robertson+1st for a Murphy type? That would be a mistake imo.

I don't know, but Dubas is on his last stand. If Kerfoot gets traded (and Robertson supplants him), then that leaves this thread in the dust. If Murray goes on LITR to injury then we have another situation. Perhaps Dubas disagrees with me and he doesn't want to trade for a defenseman.

I don't like to use "pace" as a marker. To me that's an agents' tool and not a real tool. It always assumes that the player will always reach to top end of that marker. I would love it if Robertson reached that and helped TOR win. I just don't that that's realistic. If he is seriously on a positive trajectory like that then maybe Dubas will get more in the trade...

 

[Sheva7]

I'm sticking my neck out on this one, but it no longer makes sense that TOR is keeping Robertson out of the line up. I think he's only in and out for the purposes of being showcased.

Dubas has to improve the defense of this team is serious about contending. It really looks like Muzzin might be done. I felt like Kyle's UFA signings of Benn and Mete were a stop gap for a proper defensman who can play in the top 4.

Robertson might be their best trade chip at the moment. Can he fetch a top 4D alone? I'm not sure. Kyle can add on if he feels the urgency to replace Muzzin.

Does your non-contending team have a #3-4 D-man with a bit of term?

What's Robertson worth to you?

Lucky if you get a regular bottom pair NHL dman back.

Think about it this way, almost every team in the league has a Nick Robertson in their system already.

Personally, I don't see anyone giving up a proven NHL caliber dman for Roberston, nevermind a top 4 dman.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Lucky if you get a regular bottom pair NHL dman back.

Think about it this way, almost every team in the league has a Nick Robertson in their system already.

Personally, I don't see anyone giving up a proven NHL caliber dman for Roberston, nevermind a top 4 dman.

You think Toronto would be lucky to get a bottom pairing dman back for Robertson?

I know you guys hate us, but cmon. Most teams don't have the Isles D depth.

 

[BlueBaron]

Y’all want some Connor Murphy

We'd have to listen.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Sorry all Leafs prospects are busts. Until it is time for him to need a contract of course, then he is getting an offer sheet from every GM in the league and worth the top comparable contract out there. Then once signed regardless of the terms the player is once again bad and overpaid

 

[genk]

The Leafs don’t need a defenceman. They just got back a top 4 in Liljegrin.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Xhekaj and a 2nd 2023 for Robertson

If you want a top 4 dman from Montreal, it's Edmunson or nothing

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Xhekaj and a 2nd 2023 for Robertson

Hahahahahaha

 

[Knies iT]

Lucky if you get a regular bottom pair NHL dman back.

Think about it this way, almost every team in the league has a Nick Robertson in their system already.

Personally, I don't see anyone giving up a proven NHL caliber dman for Roberston, nevermind a top 4 dman.

Such a low IQ post.

Robertson would be the Islanders top prospect by a long shot. Put up better numbers in his 19 y/o AHL season than Dufour & Raty are posting in their 20 y/o years.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The Leafs don’t need a defenceman. They just got back a top 4 in Liljegrin.

This but unironically. The defense fell into place when he came back. People are sleeping on him, starting to think he is going to be a top pairing dman.

 

[Boondock]

I'm sorry, but 3-4 D are not worth Robertson and a 1st.

In 2017 Ron Hainsey plus a minor leaguer named Danny Kristo was traded to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick (as an example).

You can't just bump up prices because your hobby is shitting on the Leafs

A bit of a cherry pick of a trade. If the Leafs want a 36 year old UFA to be then maybe Robertson is enough.

I can't speak for all of them. Are they all top 4 Defensemen for their respective club?

As much as Hainsey

 

[dredeye]

Do the leafs have the cap space to take on a contract or is this with a team out of contention so said team eats a bunch of cap. The Bruins will be looking to move a d man out soon you’d be looking at something like Reilly coming back back

 

[Boondock]

My example is still sound.

Carolina gave up Hainsey and a prospect for that 2nd.

No they didn't. They gave up Hainsey for a prospect and a 2nd.

I see you doubling and trippling down on your original take - the Hainsey comp is not great man, especially if you are looking for a top 4 D with a bit of term (Hainsey wasn't that), unless a bit is code for signed through the rest of the season?

 

[Sheva7]

Such a low IQ post.

Robertson would be the Islanders top prospect by a long shot. Put up better numbers in his 19 y/o AHL season than Dufour & Raty are posting in their 20 y/o years.

Lolol ok pal.

Regardless, even if Robertson would become a teams best prospect, nobody is giving up an established NHL top 4 dman for a guy who can't even crack the leafs lineup.

 

[Knies iT]

Lolol ok pal.

Regardless, even if Robertson would become a teams best prospect, nobody is giving up an established NHL top 4 dman for a guy who can't even crack the leafs lineup.

You not only said a top 4 D, you said any NHL caliber d-man.

Every team has a Robertson in their system Clown post top to bottom.