Value of: Nick Robertson to a non-contending team willing to move a top 4D

[Sens9292]

He’s getting scratched for Engvall. He’s not bringing back a top 4 D.

 

[FerrisRox]

It's pretty obvious you haven't seen him play if you think he won't fetch a top 4 D.

You probably think Shane Wright can't fetch a top 4 D because he was scratched too am I right ? Or does that logic only apply to Robertson ?

Do you think Robertson is an 18-year old player just weeks into his professional career?

 

[spockBokk]

I think, as we saw at the last TD, Edmundson would fetch a 1st + b prospect.

So Edmundson for Robertson + Tor 2024 2nd

Would sounds about fair to me.

Each deadline is different with what contending teams need and what they’re willing to pay. Last year, at least in my mind, the Habs got lucky the Panthers were willing to overpay for Chairot. No other team was willing to pay what they did.

I think you’ll find most teams won’t be lining up to pay a 1st for a rental defenseman.

 

[FerrisRox]

I'm sorry, but 3-4 D are not worth Robertson and a 1st.

In 2017 Ron Hainsey plus a minor leaguer named Danny Kristo was traded to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick (as an example).

You can't just bump up prices because your hobby is shitting on the Leafs.

To be fair, you said you were looking for a Top 4 D with term... and then as your example that people were "shitting on the Leafs" you cited a five-year old trade where a 36-year old pending Unrestricted Free Agent was traded, with another player, for a 2nd round pick.

What exactly do you think that is an example of?

 

[FerrisRox]

To Canadiens: Robertson + Holl ($2m) + 2023 1st (unprotected).

To Maple Leafs: Edmundson @ 50% (2 years until UFA)

Why would the Canadiens of all teams want to acquire a winger?

They currently have Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky, Anderson, Gallagher, Armia, Hoffman, Drouin, Pitlick, Dadonov and Byron on the wings.

There's no way they would move out a defensemen to acquire a winger that would head straight to Laval and wouldn't move the needle much in terms of their prospect pool.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Nick Robertson is not his brother...

No chance he returns a top 4 D

 

[FerrisRox]

An NHL trade amongst two teams: one of them contending and the other not contending.

Right.

But you said you were looking for a D-man with term, so why did you point to a trade for a pending UFA?

Wrong. He would be a great addition. I would trade Matheson for him.

That would be idiotic.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Imagine reading that and thinking I'm comparing Robertson to Shane Wright LOL

Do I really have to spell it out for you ? I was showing how garbage and flawed that logic is, just because someone gets scratched doesn't make them a bad player or a bust. Jeez cannot believe I seriously had to type that out for you

Yet YOU compared the situation to Wright. If Wright is healthy scratched in his Draft + year 4, then we can talk. And even then, Wright has size and defensive awareness to be at least a competent 3rd line NHLer. If Nick Robertson can't crack a top-6 role in the NHL, then he is a career AHLer because he can't do anything else and is too small to play a checking role.

The Leafs are a better team with him out of the lineup.

Why do people keep posting this stuff. He is NOT too small. Habs only have ONE small forward who will be around when they contend and many giants now. And even if they have too many (they draft Bedard) they will be able to move him for a lot. He is not inconsistent. The coach is an idiot.

IF he wasn't inconsistent, he would be a full-time NHL player.

And the Habs can't afford a small inconsistent forward who has yet crack the NHL in his D + 4 season. Time is running out on Robertson. He is the LAST thing the Habs would need or want.

 

[leafsfan5]

He’s getting scratched for Engvall. He’s not bringing back a top 4 D.

Just because he's getting scratched doesn't mean he's bad. The Leafs are notorious for mishandling prospects

In the playoffs we scratched Liljergen, one of our best and most mobile defenseman. This team does stupid things with young players

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Right.

But you said you were looking for a D-man with term, so why did you point to a trade for a pending UFA?

Right. I gave an example of his cost. I am not trying to trade for Hainsey now (he's retired), not with CAR, not with PIT, and not in 2017. Even though you've split those hairs, I do require people to take a bit of a leap here.

The offer is still the same: Robertson+ for a top 4 D with a bit of term. Not Robertson and a 1st round pick for a top 4 D with a bit of term.

How you want to describe "bit", "term", or "top 4 D" is up to you.

 

[AvroArrow]

Just because he's getting scratched doesn't mean he's bad. The Leafs are notorious for mishandling prospects

In the playoffs we scratched Liljergen, one of our best and most mobile defenseman. This team does stupid things with young players

Tried explaining it 10 times, they don't understand lol

These are the same boards that told us Marner is a 4th liner and should be compared to Adam Lowry when Babcock got pissed at Mitch and put him on the 4th line for like 2 games. "He plays on the 4th line!" "He can't make the lineup!"

I think half of them know the kind of player Robertson is anyways, just taking the opportunity to talk smack

 

[ole ole]

Why would the Canadiens of all teams want to acquire a winger?

They currently have Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky, Anderson, Gallagher, Armia, Hoffman, Drouin, Pitlick, Dadonov and Byron on the wings.

There's no way they would move out a defensemen to acquire a winger that would head straight to Laval and wouldn't move the needle much in terms of their prospect pool.

Don't bother. If you use any Sensibility you'll now be known as trolling. We are all suppose to agree that Robertson is the next coming.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Tried explaining it 10 times, they don't understand lol

These are the same boards that told us Marner is a 4th liner and should be compared to Adam Lowry when Babcock got pissed at Mitch and put him on the 4th line for like 2 games. "He plays on the 4th line!" "He can't make the lineup!"

I think half of them know the kind of player Robertson is anyways, just taking the opportunity to talk smack

Enlighten us, what is the "kind of player" Robertson is in his D + 4 season and why does that return a top-4 Dman?

 

[ole ole]

Tried explaining it 10 times, they don't understand lol

These are the same boards that told us Marner is a 4th liner and should be compared to Adam Lowry when Babcock got pissed at Mitch and put him on the 4th line for like 2 games. "He plays on the 4th line!" "He can't make the lineup!"

I think half of them know the kind of player Robertson is anyways, just taking the opportunity to talk smack

Yes the same board that said Kuluk, Chairot wouldn't/couldn't get a 1st in a trade. I would say more than half know exactly what Robertson really is as it's brought up multiple times in this thread.

Enlighten us, what is the "kind of player" Robertson is in his D + 4 season and why does that return a top-4 Dman?

Ya i kind of like to hear that explanation also.

 

[Guitpik]

Well, the point of Robertson bringing back a top 4 Dman has been kind of beat to death, with the results not being favorable. Look at it from the other side:

Is there a team out there that can use Robertson, if so what would fans be willing to sacrifice to make it happen?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Well, the point of Robertson bringing back a top 4 Dman has been kind of beat to death, with the results not being favorable. Look at it from the other side:

Is there a team out there that can use Robertson, if so what would fans be willing to sacrifice to make it happen?

Hab's AHL affiliate, Laval could use Robertson IMO. Nick is a proven AHL point producer.

 

[Space umpire]

Each deadline is different with what contending teams need and what they’re willing to pay. Last year, at least in my mind, the Habs got lucky the Panthers were willing to overpay for Chairot. No other team was willing to pay what they did.

I think you’ll find most teams won’t be lining up to pay a 1st for a rental defenseman.

How do you know no other teams came close with an offer?

 

[zar]

Why would the Canadiens of all teams want to acquire a winger?

They currently have Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky, Anderson, Gallagher, Armia, Hoffman, Drouin, Pitlick, Dadonov and Byron on the wings.

There's no way they would move out a defensemen to acquire a winger that would head straight to Laval and wouldn't move the needle much in terms of their prospect pool.

You’re not making that trade to improve the Canadiens current starting line-up. You are projecting for a couple years (probably longer) from now. Do the Canadiens really hope to have half of those guys you mention on their wings in 2 years when Robertson would be considered primed. If so, theatres would worry me if I were a Canadiens fan. Also, Dach could very well be playing C by then.

Winger depth is a not a bad thing thing.

Also, there was an 2023 unprotected 1st in the deal as well.

 

[spockBokk]

How do you know no other teams came close with an offer?

I have a brain

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Robertson isn't even a proven top 6 forward. I think people are mistaking Nick for his brother.

 

[Space umpire]

I have a brain

Ok, so you just made it up since it fits your narrative. Not fact based.

 

[spockBokk]

Ok, so you just made it up since it fits your narrative. Not fact based.

The Canes announced they wouldn’t trade a 1st for a rental, they were in on Chariot if you want a spaghetti string theory.

But seriously, if you truly think any other team was willing to pay what FLA did, you’re delusional.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Team has huge cap problems
Robertson under 1 million until summer 2024
top 9 winger

solution = trade him?

If Muzzin is CONFIRMED LTIR retired, okay sure, MAYBE. Still stupid IMO.

 

[AvroArrow]

Enlighten us, what is the "kind of player" Robertson is in his D + 4 season and why does that return a top-4 Dman?

Scored at an elite rate at every level of hockey he's played, hasn't made the full time jump to the NHL just yet because of a couple of really bad injuries that set him back. You guys keep bringing up his D+4 yet ignore the significant injuries he had.

Elite shot, very good skater with good hands and hustles every shift. His shot is legitimately harder than Matthews, not more accurate but much harder.

He is a legitimate top 6 player and he's 21, people here are acting like this guys career is over. He has legit top line upside, was PPG in the AHL and has 5 points in 7 games thus far this season and has looked really good while doing it.

Try watching him play before coming to these random conclusions. Why do you think he doesn't get a top 4 D man ? Not that he's even available, but what makes you suggest he wouldn't bring that kind of return ?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Scored at an elite rate at every level of hockey he's played, hasn't made the full time jump to the NHL just yet because of a couple of really bad injuries that set him back. You guys keep bringing up his D+4 yet ignore the significant injuries he had.

Elite shot, very good skater with good hands and hustles every shift. His shot is legitimately harder than Matthews, not more accurate but much harder.

He is a legitimate top 6 player and he's 21, people here are acting like this guys career is over. He has legit top line upside, was PPG in the AHL and has 5 points in 7 games thus far this season and has looked really good while doing it.

Try watching him play before coming to these random conclusions. Why do you think he doesn't get a top 4 D man ? Not that he's even available, but what makes you suggest he wouldn't bring that kind of return ?

He could probably bring back a guy with potential to be a top 4 d but no one is trading an established player for a guy who is in D +4 for potential. Also, if he is that good he should be able to prove it. Also staying healthy is very important no one wants to trade for a guy who hasn’t proven it in nhl because of injuries. Also top 4 d are more valuable and rare than top 6 wingers.